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Who is being unreasonable - joint finances

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namechange59295 · 16/03/2018 14:29

Namechanged for this but regular poster.

Please help me work out whether I am being unreasonable, or whether my husband is being unreasonable (I think he is, obviously!).

I'll try to make his as succinct as possible. Been with my DH for 8 years, married for 18 months, DS1 is 7.5 months. DH bought the house we live in when we had been together for 2 years, large cash deposit, small mortgage. I moved in and paid a reduced rent until the mortgage was cleared (approx. 3 years). I have then lived there for free ever since. The justification for this which we both agreed to was that I had to move around an hour from my friends, family and work to allow him to continue to run his business, which would obviously benefit us both in the future. His friends, family and hobbies are on his doorstep (literally, we can see his parents house and the rugby field from our windows!). I hate the town we live in, but we plan to move out of town in the next couple of years and as I have made lots of friends in the wider area I am happy with this prospect, although ultimately I would prefer to move back to where I grew up and where my family are.

So, mortgage is paid off and we both have significant savings, however he has about 3 times what I have. I believe his ability to save has been partly facilitated by me because by moving to his area I have allowed our relationship to continue and him to pursue his professional desires. Of course he has also saved very hard and worked very hard for that money. I have explained this part of our financial situation not to be goady, but I don't want to drip feed and I do think this is relevant to my AIBU.

Since moving in together we have paid into a joint account for food, bills, council tax etc etc. Basically everything that's needed to keep the house running. I have just stopped receiving maternity pay but have been paying in as normal until now. Agreement is that I will stay at home with DS1 because my commute to work means I would work for about £25 per day once we have paid for childcare. We have always been of the understanding that we would both prefer for me to be at home with the children for a certain amount of time whilst they are young and that was a large part of the reason we have settled in DH's area. All discussed and agreed years ago.

I do all of the housework, so cooking, cleaning, washing, ironing, food shopping, bins, recycling, night feeds etc. plus all those other little things like buying birthday presents, cards etc. He does bath and bed with DS 5 nights a week. He plays rugby twice a week and all day on a Saturday, with the occasional night out afterwards (not regular, say once every 2 months or so). He has a lie in at the weekend on both days while I get up with DS.

I have always said that I would prefer our savings to be held jointly, with a direct debit into an account for household stuff and then an equal allowance each for spending money. He has always said that he will just top up our existing joint account as needed. We are both relatively good with money so whilst I'm not really comfortable with this, in theory it should work as long as we are both reasonable.

With regards to our savings, we are both saving for a property investment, so in that sense our intentions for the savings are mutual. He obviously has a great deal more than I do at present, but my parents will be giving us a significant (approx £175k) sum to purchase said property when we find it so he will then benefit from my/their investment. Basically what I am trying to say is that we are on a fairly level playing field once all is taken into consideration.

Fast forward to today. We are looking after his parents dog for a few days while they are away. I took her for a run on the beach this morning and it was lovely down there so I bought a coffee in the cafe and sat outside for a bit longer. The coffee cost £1.50. DH has told me that I should take my own coffee in a flask because buying a coffee out is a waste of money. He says that if I was out for a walk with a friend and we went into the coffee shop that's fine because it's being sociable. I think that considering he disappears for 2 evenings a week plus most of Saturday week in week out (and there is a cost of say £20 a week for this) I should be allowed to buy a bloody coffee every now and then if I want one! I'm not one of these people who walks around with a costa permanently attached to my hand, I hardly ever buy drinks or food out. My social commitments are a buggy fitness group once or twice a week (£4 a time), baby sensory (£5 a week) and slimming world (£5 a week). I then go for a walk with a group of mums once a week and we have a coffee afterwards. This mornings coffee doesn't usually happen, it's only because I was down there with his parents dog and I just fancied a coffee because it was really nice there today. He is saying that if I had been with someone else it would have been fine because it's being sociable. I argued that if his hobby was cycling or running which he might do by himself I would still be happy for him to pursue it, it just so happens that he plays rugby and that is a team sport.

This next bit is the important bit.

He then said that he is spending his money when he does things, and I am spending our money. My argument is that all of the money is our money, including he money that my parents have promised me for the property purchase** whenever that happens.

I think this statement completely summarises his attitude towards me being a stay at home mum and whilst he is happy for me to do so, he is going to want me to account for every last penny I spend because as far as he is concerned, I am not the one who went out and earned it. I also think that this shows he does not value anything I do in the home and whilst I am happy to do it and appreciate that I am fortunate to be able to stay at home, I do not think that attitude is fair.

Well done if you are still reading - I am happy to be told I am unreasonable if I am and in which case I need to start grovelling after the argument we've just had. If I am not being unreasonable and he is being financially controlling, then I am just disappointed in myself for being so stupid as to think we were on the same wavelength.

Thank you.

OP posts:
Allthewaves · 17/03/2018 08:51

You need to work out a fairer split of money and each have the same dedicated spending money to spend on what you like. So he pays into main account, then into separate spending account for you and him and then into your savings account and his savings account. I personally don't believe in joint savings as there's no saftey net for either partner.

Allthewaves · 17/03/2018 08:52

And the amounts he pays into his own and your should be the same

bastardkitty · 17/03/2018 09:10

He doesn't sound sorry to me at all. He sounds like he has reluctantly conceded that you may have a point, but overall, he is right.

To everyone saying take your parents' money and buy a rental property and keep the rental income for yourself, do you not understand that when OP takes that money it becomes a marital asset and therefore half of it belongs to her husband? That money is OP's divorce fund.

If you leave him now (I know you won't) you will get half of everything and he will be absolutely fucking furious at being forced to share. Because he doesn't want to share with you and doesn't think you are equal to him. For someone who has the freedom and leisure time he does, grilling you about £1.50 for a coffee is beyond a disgrace. He should be begging your forgiveness. You will leave him in the end. This is who he is. Horrible.

Grobagsforever · 17/03/2018 09:15

Go back to work @namechange59295 ! He is financially controlling and doesn't respect your contribution. He is also selfish, he gets all of Saturday to himself and BOTH lie ins?

DO NOT allow yourself to become financially dependent on this man.

Why do so many women put up with this?

Onlyoldontheoutside · 17/03/2018 09:24

Did he show you the accounts so that you know how much is being saved,after all if you don't have equal access how can you help him see where cuts could be made(that would be my reason when he asks why).If he has not or not showing you all assets then this marriages never going to be a partnership
Go back to work,it will also give you perspective as your conversation with him sounded as if you pacified him,again.I know it's hard but you need to decide about this relationship as you have a child involved no and how the hell is he going to react when he wakes up to the cost as they get older.

namechange59295 · 17/03/2018 09:33

Thank you all for your continued support.

We have had a long chat this morning and he says he accepts that he is wrong. I think you are right in that he has begrudgingly realised that I am right this time so has conceded, but he probably still thinks of it as his money.

I have told him that the house search is on hold until I decide otherwise. The £175k will be staying in my parents bank account for the time being. It will be there if I need to buy a house of my own nearer to my friends and family for DS and I to live in.

I have told him that I intend to go back to work full time and that housework etc will need to be outsourced. He says that it's silly when really we both want me to be at home but I have explained that I cannot be financially dependent on someone who has that attitude towards money and my value in the home. I cannot be financially dependent on someone who sees our money as his and who expects me to justify all of my expenditure.

I will be ringing the local nurseries on Monday to enquire about places and costs.

I have told him that I want our savings to be a joint pot with both of our names on each account. He has given me some bullshit about not knowing how to allocate this in his tax return (he has to pay tax on interest earned from savings, so there might be implications). I've told him to book a meeting with his accountant to find out how this works.

I will keep reading back through this thread whenever I feel like I need reminding that we are equal, I do not owe him anything and that he cannot earn his precious money without me.

I think my attitude needs to change as well. I need to stop feeling so grateful, stop thinking he has facilitated my life and start putting myself and DS first. I can stand on my own two feet if needs be.

Thank you all so so much. It's easy to type but harder to do, but if I can pluck just an ounce of strength from each of you I'll get through this one way or another.

OP posts:
bastardkitty · 17/03/2018 09:36

That's a brilliant update. @namechange . The best bit for me is that you recognise how you have been buying into his narrative and the need to develop a more objective view of things. You sound amazing. Stick to your guns.

whiskyowl · 17/03/2018 09:42

Fucking hell namechanged, you're a woman on a mission! Well done. Seriously, very, very well done.

Pumpkinpie657 · 17/03/2018 09:45

Well done on standing your ground. YADNBU in case it wasn’t 100% clear! You do far, far more around the house than I manage as a SAHM and then he begrudges you £1.50?! I’d be livid.

Sunbeam18 · 17/03/2018 09:45

Fantastic woman! Respect to you!

WatchingFromTheWings · 17/03/2018 09:49

Good for you!!

namechange59295 · 17/03/2018 09:55

Thanks all.

Like I said, it's easy to type but harder to implement, but I'm really going to try and hold my ground.

It's clearly going to take a lot of work because this thread has made it quite obvious to me that there needs to be a massive shift in the dynamics of our relationship. I'm not expecting it to happen overnight but I have to start somewhere.

OP posts:
g1itterati · 17/03/2018 09:56

Good for you OP! Don't buy into his twisted narrative anymore! I bet his head is spinning now about the prospect of you returning to work. He has taken you for granted so far, but he can't do this if you don't let him. Stay calm and good luck!

Rightmovestalker · 17/03/2018 09:57

Good for you OP

GabriellaMontez · 17/03/2018 10:00

Really well done.

Have you considered a nanny. If you're both full time and you have to travel it may be better than being under pressure to do a nursery pick up.

Also perhaps it's soon time to chat about who takes time off work when dc is ill. And how pickup and drop off from nursery will be shared.

You should treat him to a coffee and have a long discussion...

LannieDuck · 17/03/2018 10:05

Great start :)

Make sure he knows he'll have to shift his hours around the nursery run (either drop-off or pick-up is fair), and he'll need to do take time off for half of the sick days (because there are a lot of sick days when kiddies start nursery).

Interesting that he claims he wants you to be a SAHM too - has he really thought that through from your POV? Would he be willing to be a SAHD with no money and having to justify every expenditure while his partner built up her savings?

namechange59295 · 17/03/2018 10:23

I'm not sure whether he has looked at being a SAHM from my point of view. If he has, he clearly thinks what a lovely life I'll have not having to go to work, swanning around playing with DS and meeting friends for walks. Not saying that isn't partly true, of course there will be plenty of benefits to be able to raise my own child, but he definitely doesn't appreciate the fact that if he continues with this attitude, my life will be pretty shit having no money to do anything and feeling like I have to answer to my husband every day.

Hopefully I will be back on here to tell you how I have turned things around one way or another. What a great example of women building each other up this thread is Thanks

OP posts:
SecondaryConfusion · 17/03/2018 10:27

Do you think you’ve given him pause for thought that you’re prepared to go back to work?

You need to set out how it will work in practice - he does half of all drop offs and pick ups, which nights he will be responsible for cooking for all of you, how weekends will be split fairly ( so you finally get a lie in), which mornings and evenings will be split so you are each taking equal responsibility for getting DS up and ready for nursery, or bathed and ready for bed.

Be careful you don’t end up working FT and taking on most of the wife work - set out an equal split from the start.

g1itterati · 17/03/2018 10:27

That's a great point a pp raised. Ask him how he would feel if he had to justify every coffee or feel that he was under obligation to you. Could he put himself in your shoes for one second and actually think?

LannieDuck · 17/03/2018 10:30

Has he ever looked after DS by himself for a whole day? Does he appreciate it's not all sunshine and rainbows?

I've been thinking that if he complains that taking time off for DS-sick days will hurt his business, it'll give you a good way in to a conversation about the heart of the matter -

"Yes, it will hurt your business and you'll probably make less money because of it. But that's ok, because I'll have a wage coming in too, so the family income will stay the same. It's just that part of it will be my money, instead of it all being your money."

He's still thinking about himself as an independent person his income, his business etc. He's not thinking about income at the family level (except when it suits him, e.g. how much cheaper it would be 'for the family' (i.e. it wouldn't have to come out of his income) if you stayed home!).

SecondaryConfusion · 17/03/2018 10:30

Also if you end up as a SAHM - it’s not so you can pick up everything at home. You will still need a break and some nights where you’re having to cook/clean and run around after everyone.

bastardkitty · 17/03/2018 10:34

Walk into the rugby club. Ask him how much a pint costs and how many he is thinking of having. And tell him in front of all his mates that if he thinks you can't afford a £1.50 cup of coffee then there is no way he can afford to be out pissing money away. I think you have handled it brilliantly OP but the coffee comment makes me absolutely livid.

timeisnotaline · 17/03/2018 10:36

Well done op, heartening to read! I hope your oh listens and really starts delivering as a partner. Some excellent points poeple mention about pick ups and attitude to him needing to stay home when dc are sick. ( we are both fulll time and split all those things, it’s my dhs birthday yesterday and on the card from ds I wrote ‘daddy, you’re my best friend’ which is absolutely true and just so lovely. )

LannieDuck · 17/03/2018 10:42

@bastardkitty lol! Love it :)

BouncingIntoGraceland · 17/03/2018 10:51

You've come so far since you posted op, my advice to you now would be double up on contraception and do NOT let him attend that meeting with his accountant without you.

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