Girls t shirt from next that says, you are not properly dressed without a smile

[LardLizard]

Wtf !!!!

DD has recently been in stage version of Annie so instantly knew what that slogan referred to.

Love that song!

How on earth has this moved on to being 'targeted by Pheodophiles??

Exactly!! Why??

Or perhaps ClaryFary you are waiting for a child with a smile to start it all off for you.

But even if OP is mistaken, it's v easy to imagine this t-shirt existing and being marketed at girls. Which is sort of the point

The word imagine being kind of important there. Outrage over what's looking likely to be a non existent tshirt.
We're even getting outraged over possible imaginary things now.

No - it’s completely true. Little orphan Annie was targeted by people who pretended to be her parents but were going to kill her. Clearly if we encourage little girls to emulate her the same thing will happen?

Then they’ll end up tap dancing round Albert Finney sitting on an elephant. Obviously.

Annie the musical is not on my radar. I would have no idea about the reference.

However, 'not properly dressed without a smile' is to me as a slogan on a t shirt, abhorrent.

What next

C'mon Eileen?

Not everything has to be a fight and a feminist issue. The headspace and the mental gymnastics some must struggle with to muster up offence into everything must be exhausting.

What has safeguarding got to do with feminism?

Can you explain this @CadyHeron

“Not everything has to be a fight and a feminist issue. The headspace and the mental gymnastics some must struggle with to muster up offence into everything must be exhausting“

I think the people on here who are thinking of this as a feminist issue aren’t using up much headspace or indulging in mental gymnastics or mustering up offence. They are just noticing and commenting. The people who are not seeing any sort of problem seem to be the ones using exhausting amounts of energy!

Well, Cady we can never 100% verify that any OP is giving us the truth, can we? We have to work on the basis that they are.

But, yes, it's still an interesting question: "If you saw this slogan on a tshirt marketed for girls, what would you think?"

It raises all sorts of issues. And it is relevant to our society because we all know (however disingenuous some posters are being) that this stuff is out there.

My view and your view would be the same whether the t-shirt's real or not. So the debate is valid.

And the only reason I (and many others, I'm sure) feel the need to enter this debate and point out the possible issues is because on page one of any thread like this we get the posters, like yourself, just desperate to minimise any offence tp women and girls. There you are, whipping out the phrase 'professionally offended' and mocking the women who are trying to iron out the little insidious digs that cone thick and fast to undermine our daughters.

Why are you so desperate for there to be no offence? Why all the frenzied searching of Next products? Why do you want women to automatically accept each and every cultural message without question?

And no, I don't mean specifically you here - I mean that general trend of which you are a part.

Why all the frenzied searching of Next products

I haven't done any frenzied searching.
Just if someone bitch plops a tshirt argument with no link whatsoever then does a runner, I like to at least look to see if it is actually true instead of all going mad and saying yes it is an absolute outrage, how dare Next?!
Nothing to do with frenzied searching or minimising, as the bloody slogan if it existed on a girls tshirt is nothing to do with little girls anyway - it's about well dressed men.
But hey,why let facts get in the way of the chance to get offended.

Cady I was just working on the basis that OP hadn't made it up. You obviously know better...

But even if OP is mistaken, it's v easy to imagine this t-shirt existing and being marketed at girls. Which is sort of the point*

I’m bit sure how OP could be mistaken though - she’s imagined a shirt and the shop that sells it? But strange. The top doesn’t exist anywhere on the next website

Why are you so desperate for there to be no offence? Why all the frenzied searching of Next products? Why do you want women to automatically accept each and every cultural message without question

I searched for the top because someone asked to see a picture of it.. the top didn’t exist there was A LOT of

‘Girl Power’
‘Girls are super heroes’
‘Going to change the world’
Etc very positive female tops.. strange the op mentioned non of these.

and mocking the women who are trying to iron out the little insidious digs that cone thick and fast to undermine our daughters.

Is there a link to a tshirt that says "you're not properly dressed without a smile?" on a little girl?

People fine something to moan about in just about everything, right?

Stop being ridiculous.

Find*

That's not the point though CadyHeron

Would you be happy with a t shirt for a little girl that said

'you're not properly dressed without a smile'

?

Should it say - you're not properly dressed without resting bitch's face?

Why do people make such drama about nothing? OP?

it's about well dressed men

Is it? Just because the original line was, it doesn't follow that that's all it can ever mean. If it were on a little girl's top, it would have at least another layer of meaning, if not a new meaning altogether.

I don't think it's that bad. Knowing it it actually a line from a film (which many won't know, presumably) does actually make it better. But to my mind the fact that that sentiment is a direct quote from a film is more of a get-out clause/excuse than a total negation of all questionable motives.

People do like to tell women/girls to smile. Putting it on a tshirt in however an encoded way isn't exactly progresssive.

I guess it just depresses me that so many people's knee-jerk reactions (even before Cady went all Miss Marple on it to reveal it might be fake) involve telling women to calm down and shut up.

Is it not worth even thinking about it for a second?

If it were on a little girl's top, it would have at least another layer of meaning, if not a new meaning altogether
But it's apparently not on a little girl's top though. It's all hypothetical offence.

People do like to tell women/girls to smile. Putting it on a tshirt in however an encoded way isn't exactly progresssive
That's you projecting though.

(even before Cady went all Miss Marple on it to reveal it might be fake)

Well, if being Miss Marple means checking something is actually true first before jumping on the social media bandwagon, that's fine by me.

Ok Cady but please tell me you actually understood the points I was making?

You know debate can be useful, revealing even if it's hypothetical ?!

Cady hasn't proved it is fake though.

It might be fake isn't good enough for all of us Miss Marple fans.

What do you mean, by the way, that that's me 'projecting'?

Do you mean 'expressing a fairly mainstream opinion'?

Do you dispute that people like to tell women/girls to smile/cheer up?!

Do you think, with that in mind, it's wonderfully enlighted to work the idea of compulsory smiling into a girls' tshirt slogan?

And yes, it's possible to have an opinion on the above even if it's hypothetical

Fr the record, I didn’t recognize it as a line from a song. I just heaved a weary sigh at yet another exhortation to girls and women to be nice and sweet and smiley..........

I hate "Smile Luv, it might never happen!" I think it is intrusive and insensitive for a stranger to do this or acquaintance to do this- they have no idea whether the worst already has happened. But I honestly would not have seen this t-shirt and put the two things together tbh.