AIBU or are we all going to be trapped in the UK from next March?

[Clarissalarissa]

So, Ryanair and Thomas Cook are inserting clauses in their booking terms to say that if your flight abroad doesn't go ahead because of Brexit that's your problem. No doubt others will follow. If any deal is ever done, to allow planes to fly, it is bound to be a lot more expensive than it is now.

Is everyone planning many years of UK-only holidaying?

Clarissa If a DFDS ferry filled to the max does a crossing every two hours from Dunkirk to Dover, plus those coming every two hours the other way, plus those going from Clais and all the other myriad ferry ports, then yes, it takes a lot of traffic. If you take the ferry crossing it tells you every so often on the bill board at Dover how many passengers and vehicles have passed through Dover that day. I bet far more fir on a ferry than on a plane, judging from the flight I took from Brussels to Vienna and back last week.

You should know that the crossing from Dunkirk to Dover isn't 'many hours'...it's 2 hours. Less time than I spend hanging around at the airport.

You are sounding hysterical, and frankly rather idiotic. I live in Brussels and spend much time, as does my husband at work, with members of other European nations. Brexit is regularly discussed, and many can see why the UK wants to leave. You may be happy with the drive to ever closer union and becoming part of a federated Europe, but I am not. I don't believe that one size fits all.

Minnie that's a really good link. Thanks :)

If anyone can tell me how I can get a ferry from Edinburgh to Madrid then I will be all ears.

There you are, only takes 1 day and 2 hours from Edinburgh to Madrid.

www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/Edinburgh/Madrid,+Spain/data=!4m15!4m14!1m2!1m1!1s0x4887b800a5982623:0x64f2147b7ce71727!1m2!1m1!1s0xd422997800a3c81:0xc436dec1618c2269!2m6!5e0!5e1!5e2!5e3!6e0!8j1520793714!3e3

agnes

Cant help you

Might just go the other way...UK to USA will be ok will it?

Yes. I'm interested in the ferries from Northern England to Southern Europe as well.

UK to USA will be fine according to the CEO of Virgin.

Itll take days ilovesooty but it will be such an adventure!!

Not...

Bone idle, the lot of you. Get on your bike Agnes

Oooh thanks scary

It will help reduce our carbon output if you all have to take ferries from now on in

Yes, exactly. Please do explain, "scaryteacher*, how the exact capacity of a Dunkirk to Dover ferry is relevant to a tourist business in Scotland. With, as I've already explained, customers coming from places like Madrid and Berlin. I don't think we've ever had a customer who did not fly.
As you live in Brussels, perhaps you are protected from the shitstorm that is already hitting many of us here.
I notice that you are leading a nice life in Brussels, while doing your best to ensure that other UK citizens will be restricted to living and working in the UK. Permanently. As you say, one size obviously doesn't fit all.

Not me

Im off to USA

So i think its made it worse

Dover is a question that can't be ignored by policy makers.

Oh for goodness' sake - how do you think people went on holiday before we were in the EU? We actually could travel by car, ship or plane to anywhere we fancied in Europe and I can't remember having to get a visa for anywhere, unless you fancied Communist Russia. This is all nonsense designed to frighten people, whipped up by the all-knowing remainers.

Talkstotrees. Please feel free to re-read my post. Especially the might and probably part. These were not definitive figures. I was only saying there is unlikely to have any impact.

The problem is that we’ve been crazy enough to leave Europe first so we are going to be the test case and no it probably won’t go well for us.

@OhYouBadKitten that's true about Dover, and what about Calais, Dunkirk, Rotterdam, Zeebrugge etc? They will need extra infrastructure to cope with post-Brexit customs checks, and I can't see other countries paying for the consequences of the UK's mistake, so why isn't our government coming forward with offers of help, or better still just staying in the single market so travel can continue as normal?

I bet far more fir on a ferry than on a plane, judging from the flight I took from Brussels to Vienna and back last week.

Well let’s see. Heathrow alone had 26 million passengers to and from the rest of the EU in 2016, while Gatwick was more than 28 million.

Dover managed a very respectable 16 million passengers across all its routes, which is of course lovely and a good national asset. Not sure I’d be tempted if I was coming from Rome, mind. But still not in quite the same league as air travel.

It’s almost as if a single flight in continental Europe isn’t a reliable yardstick of passenger numbers to and from the rest of the EU from the UK. 🤔

Oh for goodness' sake - how do you think people went on holiday before we were in the EU

What in 1974?

Completely different world

I hope it isnt as bad as what his face is saying as i like my holidays

But ive not heard much about WHY i dont have to worry about it

Different world in 1974?

Was it heck as like! It was 44 years ago, not the fecking dark ages!

God, if I hear the argument once more that it was all fine before we joined so it’ll be all fine when we leave I’m going to go fucking crackers. To those people – once upon a time, people hadn’t invented passports, visas, regulations, compliance or a billion other things, and you could build your own boat and land on anyone’s shore without challenge (although the natives might slice your head off), but things change. Things have changed since we joined the EU, and since the EU started. When we leave the EU we will still have to comply with all the regulatory frameworks that have been devised and have evolved and changed over the last forty plus years, because they’re not going to disappear. Us leaving isn’t going to mean we can magically revert to the way things were just because we’ve decided we want to. Somewhere that you used to go to back in the 60s that didn’t ask for a visa, and that now requires a visa if you are not in the same regulatory group, will ask for a visa because you have voluntarily left that group, unless something else is negotiated. This doesn’t just apply to visas but to every single thing that we currently cooperate with the EU on. We are leaving. We will, in effect, confer upon ourselves the status of unregulated aliens. Unless we SORT IT OUT ASAP. Or reverse Brexit. One. Or. The. Other.

Michael O'Leary is a massive shitstirrer who would sell his granny if he thought there was an extra euro in it for him, so I can imagine that they've inserted themselves a nice little clause to effectively allow them to bin a load of flights, blame it on brexit and pocket the cash.

MilkTray
You might want to rtft, just to avoid embarrassment hun x