To think Waitrose won't sell many gender neutral mother's day cards, because mothers are WOMEN?

[AskBasil]

We see your absurd virtue-signalling

Every single human being who has ever been born throughout the whole of history, has been born of woman. Not man, not non-binary, not super-latte-snowflake-aromantic: WOMAN.

I know some men feel really sad about this. I know that some of them had such sadz about it, that it led to a 6,000 year long tantrum, where they defined women as less human than them, defective men, immature versions of humans and enslaved us and categorised us as chattels and property. And now they are attempting to de-categorise us altogether, to pretend that as a category, we don't exist. We're just a feeling.

But they won't succeed, because everyone sane knows, that however you identify, whatever you feel about your body, if you've given birth to a child, you are a female. Because biology is real and "woman" is more than just a feeling in a man's head. Or dick.

Happy mother's day.

Yawn

Seriously nobody gives a shit.

The kids without mothers on Mother's Day don't,neither would those mothers who can't be with their children. The vast majority would be happy that there is somebody who has filled that space well and a way to thank them.

HomeTerf I'm not in the habit of believing much I read in the Sun. Presumably you do if it fits your agenda.
And as a PP said they have the cards in Waitrose year-round. I've seen them.

my first instinct was that this doesn't matter and who'd get cross about it

but actually 'happy you day' - well any day could be happy you day - why mothers day? its a direct dig at mothers.

children with only a Father get a day to celebrate their father - Fathers Day, there are also thank you cards, cards with images but no message on it that were perfectly fine to give to someone who is performing a mothering role in your life but is not your mother.

Surprised Waitrose would do something like this. Disappointing.

he kids without mothers on Mother's Day don't,neither would those mothers who can't be with their children. The vast majority would be happy that there is somebody who has filled that space well and a way to thank them.

Blank cards already exist.

ephemeral No agenda here. I read it in The Times

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/mothers-day-cards-go-gender-neutral-nc0rpxf00

So bereaved kids can't buy cards with a message on front. What is the difference between them writing it themselves and buying it? How does it differ to a Thanks Dad for Being the Most Amazing Mum card?

Can't read The Times article but the start looks identical to the Sun. They sell them all year round. A total non story put there for clicks by those that will lap it up and froth.

So they sell these cards all year round but the Sun and the Times have decided that it must be a dig at mothers because they are also available on Mother's Day....

It's absurd.

You have cards for every occasion.

What is "you day"... isn't that a birthday? Or any other random day of the year?

We celebrate mothers, we celebrate people in a mothering role on this day... there are cards already in existence for them!

Step mom, thank you , blank cards all exist.

This is ridiculous!

Clearly there is more to being a mother than just giving birth, but considering only women can do this why are we set to erase a celebration of that fact?

The point of being a trans man is that you don't wish to be a woman... so you wouldn't consider yourself a mother. And if you're a trans woman you're not a mother... you may perform a mothering role (if you're a lone parent) but chances are you're divorced... because well , your wife didn't wish to be in a lesbian relationship. Any other card would be suitable.... I'm pretty sure a lot of trans women celebrate and acknowledge Father's Day...

You Day is a turn of phrase.

If you want to thank somebody for fulfilling a mothering role frankly you can give any card any damn day you please,including Mothers Day.

Losing a mother is no picnic,anything that gives a little light on what could be a very painful day is win win in my book.

There is no need for gender neutral mothers day cards. If you want to give someone a card give them a mothers day card. Or one of the millions of other neutral cards. YANBU.

And Kalapatter you are adding up what you want to see.

So. Bored. Of. Mumsnet. Transphobes.

Go and have a nice day with your family instead of using a day of celebration as an opportunity to bash someone else.

Mothering Sunday is about going to home to your ‘Mother church’
Exactly. It's not meant to be about who buys the biggest card or most expensive bunch of flowers.
My vicar's sermon this morning talked about how it would be nice today to think about reaching out to people you cared about or who you thought needed some support - a mothering of sorts. So if someone wants to send another person a card today to express their appreciation for support that the person has given them then that's fine by me. I don't give a toss if the recipient is biologically female, biologically male, or identifies as a hippo, it's a nice gesture and that's what's important.

There is a transsexual Mum in our local community, was a Dad, left marriage, had ‘gender re-assignment’ surgery and hormone treatment, the kids have 2 Mums, everyone is happy

I find it quite tough to imagine that every really is happy - presumably there was a wife left behind in that situation. There've been many threads where women in that situation have talked about all of the stuff that leads up to that point and it sounds pretty fucking horrible frankly.

Fugitive for the billionth time, where is the transphobia?? People are simply asking why Mother's Day must be inclusive if Father's Day isn't, when in reality we're all able to recognise those in our lives who've played a role without having to kick up a stink about how not everyone is included, because most people get that we can't all be included all the time.

The point is that Waitrose have publicly said this is to include trans mums. If being a mother is so brilliant and worthy of celebration then why can't we just use the bloody word 'mother' as we always have? Especially when there ARE cards that don't specify mother already available!

People are simply asking why Mother's Day must be inclusive if Father's Day isn't

Seems these cards are available ALL year round. Including Mother's day. And I should imagine they can be brought on Father's day as well.

Yes Kalapattar but Waitrose have decided to make a point of saying this for Mother's Day but not Father's Day because trans activists were calling for mother's Day to be renamed, Father's Day can stay as it is though. That's the issue.

Waitrose have decided to make a point of saying this for Mother's Day but not Father's Day because trans activists were calling for mother's Day to be renamed, Father's Day can stay as it is though. That's the issue

Surely a trans woman wouldn't want Mother's day to be renamed because they see themselves as Mothers?

So why would someone who thinks they are female and think they are mothers want to rename Mother's day?

I long for the day that no one gets offended by anything... sadly I bet I'll be long forgotten before that happens.

I see your point op and yanbu, but I can't bring myself to care that much. I care not if a man wants a mother day card, not my issue.

Fugitive for the billionth time, where is the transphobia?? People are simply asking why Mother's Day must be inclusive if Father's Day isn't

That's not what the OP is saying is it? The OP is saying that transwomen shouldn't have them because they're not 'WOMEN'. Nothing in the OP and equality with Father's Day, just about women.

Nike Mothering Sunday is the church day. Mothers' Day is a commercial invention like Father's Day. In the UK the commercial invention for mothers was slapped ontop of the church festival, but in much of the world that isn't the case.

Why do we have a distinct fathers' Day for human male parents but keep insisting human female parents can't have one - whether because it's actually bout the church not women, or its actually for everyone...

Is it because fathering means having sex resulting in an infant, but mothering means nurturing and bringing up?

I dislike the mothering Sunday line (most people aren't church goers) in parallel with father's day as a stand alone event all about male parents more than I dislike "you day" unless "you day" cards are not available for fathers'Day.

Fugitive for the billionth time, where is the transphobia?? People are simply asking why Mother's Day must be inclusive if Father's Day isn't

Given that this is considered newsworthy it’s presumably a new card launched this year and Mother’s Day come first in the calendar how the feck do we know that they’re not planning to sell it for Father’s Day too? This really is possibly the most ridiculous storm in a tea cup I’ve ever seen on here.

I think this is right actually. I have a friend in a same sex relationship and she gets something for Father's Day. A father's day card wouldn't be appropriate but the little girl sees her as that figure in her life, so I think these cards are a good idea.

Well if this wasn't a complete non-story what with these cards being available all year round I might actually be saying well done transactivists! For the first time, well, ever. Because as this thread has evidenced there are a lot of scenarios where someone might want to honour someone for their mothering role who wouldn't call themselves "mum". So they would have gone and achieved something that loads of people could benefit from. Round of applause!

There are so many ways in which these cards could be beneficial - not least for children who have lost their mothers and want to honour other people who now play a mothering role in their lives. There are all kinds of ways in which people can mother and be mothered, and recognising that might help address the pain so many people feel on Mother's Day, either because they have lost their mothers or because they had bad experiences with theirs.

I think it's despicable to behave as though you're outraged by something that could so obviously benefit a lot of people, just because these cards might also be used to honour trans men who have kids and you don't want that to happen.