White privilege... really? In schools??!

[stellenbosch]

To quote Bastille, 'the world's gone mad' ...

Stellenbosch discussing white privilege?

This surely must be intentional.

Otherwise, this has to be one of the silliest OPs ever to grace MN.

Spotted on page 1, numbers.

he is telling you his experience as a black man, nobody has a right to tell him otherwise, especially if yiu are not in his position

Do you think that if a woman were to tell you there was no sexism because she hadn't experienced any, then people wouldn't have a right to tell her otherwise?

@Dadtrying, I'm sorry but from your posts it seems to me that you don't have much awareness of the disadvantages that institutional racism is creating in your own life and experiences. Luckily as a white woman I'm here to explain it for you...

Do you think that if a woman were to tell you there was no sexism because she hadn't experienced any, then people wouldn't have a right to tell her otherwise?

Do you think a man would be the best person to tell her that he knows better and her own experiences are wrong? I'm sure we came up with a word for that.

Do you think that if a woman were to tell you there was no sexism because she hadn't experienced any, then people wouldn't have a right to tell her otherwise?

Do you think a man would be the best person to tell her that he knows better and her own experiences are wrong? I'm sure we came up with a word for that.

My children went to school in interior BC (very close to the district that this campaign is from). The history of Canada when it comes to First Nations is and continues to be shameful. There is still a lot of racism towards First Nations and First Nations children face significant challenges. I don't think that this particular poster is very helpful, and the backlash against it demonstrates why. The other posters in the campaign are I think much better. Racism towards First Nations is complicated by treaty provisions which were incredibly disadvantageous to First Nations but have also left a legacy of differences which are quite visible and are massively resented by many especially those who are themselves struggling. If you tell someone that they are privileged and they see others getting what they consider are 'handouts' they will not be enlightened, they will just get angry. Both tax differences for those living on reserves and compensation payments for those affected by residential schools are big sources of resentment. There has been a big push for better education and I think this is what will really make the difference. Both for First Nations children and young adults where there is still a persistent performance gap, and also for everyone in terms of understanding how the formation of Canada as a nation has affected indigenous peoples. This needs to be a hell of a lot more sensitive than the 'white people bad' message this poster puts across.

Oh and to the person going on about Kamloops, this campaign has nothing to do with Kamloops it is a different school district. My children went to the school district that includes Kamloops and they have chosen to focus on improving educational attainment for First Nations children and have been fairly successful. Much better than putting up a few posters borrowed from an idea in Saskatchewan which probably went down like a lead balloon.

Also worth mentioning that the only reason why anyone knows anything about these posters is because someone posted to social media and it got picked up by anti-racist supporters. This is a tiny rural school district. I doubt that anything else the school board has done has ever been reported in BC, let alone internationally.

Do you think a man would be the best person to tell her that he knows better and her own experiences are wrong

There is plenty of research evidence out there.

"I just don't accept the validity of shaming people for their skin tone."

I honestly don't see where the "shaming" comes in.

Education

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/07/racism-schools-bame-pupils-teachers

In a 2015 poll of 450 BAME teachers, 62% stated they did not believe that schools treated BAME pupils fairly. Perhaps it’s mere coincidence that black Caribbean students are three times more likely to receive permanent exclusions, with Gypsy/Roma pupils of Irish traveller descent experiencing the highest rates of exclusions. Perhaps

More likely to be retained on temporary contracts than our white peers and so locked out of employment benefits such as paid annual leave and training for career progression, we are unlikely to challenge the daily instances of racial discrimination because we merely bump up against the stereotype of being aggressive and troublesome. Labels also attached to BAME parents attempting to get schools to recognise how institutional racism operates in the treatment of their children.

Aeroflotgirl

I agree with DAd, he is telling you his experience as a black man, nobody has a right to tell him otherwise, especially if yiu are not in his position.

Totally agree. Yes, he is only expressing his own opinion, based on his own experience, but for a white person to over rule his opinion, because it doesn't fit into their own personal narrative, could possibly be construed as those posters using their white privilege.

He is not saying it doesn't exist (as some posters are accusing him of), but just giving his own point of view in a measured and articulate way.

I’m in Kamloops, I just don’t think many understand the level of disparity between non First Nations and First Nations.
The Indian Act is bizarre antiquated legislation that only perpetuates the divide.
The act dictates things like what level of dental or eye care they can or mostly can not receive. Forbids land/home ownership.

Actually kala I partially take back what I said - I agree that if a woman said 'sexism doesn't exist' then a man would be as entitled to argue with that as a woman. If a woman says 'I don't feel I've personally experienced any barriers due to sexism in my own life' and a man's response was 'yes you have, you just don't realise it' then I'd find that incredibly patronising. (I'd find it patronising coming from a woman too, but it would annoy me more from a man.)

As much as First Nations are generally downtrodden, this band is fairly well off financially.
tkemlups.ca/our-story/

Do you think that if a woman were to tell you there was no sexism because she hadn't experienced any, then people wouldn't have a right to tell her otherwise?
kalapattar you have repeatedly said that daddy has said racism doesn't exist, even after he has told you (very politely) twice that he did not say that, he just described his own experience.
You have moved from appearing a bit confused, to being obviously malicious, when you continue to insist that he said something which he didn't.

My problem with this whole means of addressing racism is demonstrated by thehamstersinpyjamas talking about her reality of a white Jewish woman & the prejudice she & her family experience - being met with 'yes a white Jewish person is more privileged than a non white person' from sprinklesismyelbow on pg13.

When surely what is meant is she hasn't faced racism for being white. Not that she's privileged. So sure white privilege exists. In that white people don't experience racism. But that's not what was said to hamster despite her fairly shitty experiences she was just told she was privileged compared to a hypothetical BME person full stop.

It's not up to individuals on here to tell others they are less, they are victims, they are suffering at the hands of white privilege, they need extra help to get anywhere in the world! It's patronising and annoying.

Dadtrying

Yes, I see your point. As black people, we have had different experiences
and, not necessarily, 'lucky' as I clumsily pointed out earlier 😊

No, justanothernap she’s more privileged. Not necessarily privileged, as in the same opportunities as Mary Smith next door with the pony, but overall, more privileged.

Than many people

(Posted too soon!)

This thread makes me sad.

I wish there were a way to tag ignorant racists on here so that when I encounter them elsewhere I know to give them a wide berth.

Oh and people talking about London- my earlier experience of working was in Kensington and Chelsea where I grew up. There is an veneer of multiculturalism, but believe me, white and rich wins the day there.

It shouldn’t be a privilege not to be discriminated against. It should be a right. It’s the stupidest and most fallacious argument that the imbeciles on the hard left have tried to make so far.

It’s not an argument you can looks at it however you want. It happens, it’s reality. There is a spectrum between privilege and deprivation. We’re all
Somewhere. No one genuinely makes it without the influence of society

Exactly Badbily, that was what I was trying to say, I am sure Dad is not saying that racism does not exist, but for him, he had a more positive experience. Its the same as saying not all women experience sexism, of course its there, but the experience is not the same for all women. It is more prevalent in certain jobs or areas, than others.