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to ask if anyone on here regrets going back to work after dc, and not being a sahp?

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mammyoftwo · 01/03/2018 23:16

Context: It's a snowy day here..........beautiful stop-you-in-your-tracks-to-look-at-them snowflakes.....it's spent playing outside, coming inside for home baking, snuggling by the fire with books and an all round "good day".

(For full disclosure, I fully acknowledge we have plenty of "not good days" with two toddlers).

But anyways, it got me to thinking...............................................so often on here I read threads about "I don't want to give up my career for my children"/"Do you regret being a sahp" etc, etc etc....... you get the gist.

So today, having had a "good day", I'm going to be bold and brave enough to ask it.............................................does anyone back in paid work after children regret it?
I'd have hated to miss out on all that we did today. Things aren't easy, we've made sacrifices in spending for one parent to be "at home" but it's a choice we made as we believe it works best for our family.

OP posts:
thelionthewitchandthebookcase · 03/03/2018 07:19

I was a sahp unroll my kids went to school - during their nursery school years I retrained and worked for myself and finish at 3pm an ace holidays.

Absolutely no regrets as actually feel happy seeing how close I am to my dc and how well balanced they are.

It was very hard work and there were times we were poor but this didn't matter so much when they were little.

CPtart · 03/03/2018 07:25

No, quite the reverse. 4 and 5 months mat leave respectively was more than enough for me. We've had some great family holidays with the extra money I was bringing in, and I'm even contemplating early retirement due to a fairly healthy pension. My DC learnt early on they have to fit in as part of a bigger picture and are now high achieving, independant teens.

Rosti1981 · 03/03/2018 07:26

Warrick1- I agree about your point about the counter narrative for SAH not being articulated as clearly. The only thing I'd add is that I think there's almost an impossible situation here, because of the way our work culture in the UK is set up.

I think a big problem is that post mat leave women see the three options of SAH, WOH full time and WOH part-time (if available). Because shared parental leave isn't really taken up (for a variety of reasons) the woman is already the one who does the majority of the caring, so it becomes "her" decision to make- obviously within financial/practical constraints and based on what the employer offers too re flexible working, pt options etc.

With SAH there's then a potential issue beyond early years where a woman wants to return to workplace and finds she isn't able to, or only options are way below previous role. Her trajectory was set right from the start, at the point of choosing to SAH or even go PT.

I completely see the benefit of children having 1:1 care when small, whether that's parent or grandparents or nanny. But when that all falls to the mother she then does potentially sacrifice way more than just those few years at home - it's her whole career. I think that's why many make the decision to go back, and possibly downplay that narrative about benefits to SAH/1:1 intensive care.

None of any of that is the fault of individual women, either. If we had longer parental leave, shared parental leave that families wanted to use (maybe for second year), flexible working options as default, career break options, jobshare/part-time etc as standard, it would all help. And of course if so many families didn't need a dual income and cost of living, particularly housing, wasn't so high.

It interests me the way in which many of these wider issues become very personal and the narrative is so dichotomised - i.e. SAH V WOH.

speakout · 03/03/2018 07:33

It's certainly not an issue for men.

womannotcis · 03/03/2018 07:33

It's different for everyone, but I was thinking recently how glad I was that I built up my career and how much it (and dh's career) has opened doors for our now adult dc as they've had help from our wide-ranging professional networks to advance their education and careers.
I'd have gone stir-crazy being at home, I found being at home with babies and toddlers unrewarding drudgery.
I was lucky, but also worked hard to do something that wasn't just a job and I still love it.
My dc are happy, well-balanced and doing well themselves and proud of what I've achieved. And, I have a very healthy pension to look forward to.

Babbitywabbit · 03/03/2018 07:34

‘i would regret it every day if i had gone back to work after having my boys. To me a mum who works is a failed mum. My husband earns the money and i look after the boys and home, that's how it should be. How would you feel if your son's wife was working because your son didn't earn enough money’

Araacarawa has a very strange view of a failed mum then! Surely what any good parent wants is for their children to grow up into a successful, happy, well rounded adult with sound values? So if you achieve that while also retaining your career, then how is that failure? Sounds like win win to me! Smile

The fact is, I suspect we all know (though a small number of people who are dissatisfied with their own lives don’t want to admit) that it’s perfectly possible to raise children well as a WOHP or a SAHP. The key contributing factors to whether children grow up with good mental health, a good work ethic, achieving well at school, are not whether the mother works. If you looked at my children (in their 20s, all doing really well, happy and having achieved well educationally, and in work) you wouldn’t know whether I’d worked or not. Likewise for their peers- some of them had mums who worked, some didn’t. You’d need to look at the mums to see the evidence of who’s worked- not the kids!

And there’s the rub i think. This ‘debate’ trundles on and on because a minority of people aren’t content with the choice they’ve made for its own sake. The only way they can be comfortable with it is by denigrating the opposite choice.

I’m a WOHM. It doesn’t mean I need to denigrate SAHM. Do it, if it suits you and your partner. And for your own, specific set of circumstances, it may well be the thing that suits your children... you might have a child with specific needs which make it difficult to find childcare, or you may have a child who won’t settle into childcare, or you may not have access to quality childcare in your area. I can quite see why those circumstances would mean you might give up work.

But you cannot extrapolate from that, that anyone else ‘should’ be a SAHM. Or that they aren’t one because they couldn’t cope with it because it’s so tremendously difficult.

FWIW I think being at home with little ones can be a slog, it can be isolating and a lot of the daily tasks are quite relentless - but none of it is difficult per se.

I’m always a bit confused by the people who keep saying SAHM aren’t valued by society... what do you want to happen? How should society show it values you? Surely if you’re doing it because you want to, what extra validation do you need?

I work. The validation comes from my salary and pension, the work appraisals, the respect of my colleagues, and as I’m in a role working with young people, yes, the fact that I’m doing something socially beneficial. In my role as a mum, I had validation from raising my children into lovely young adults. I never expected anything more than that... isn’t that enough?

Slightlygreyhair · 03/03/2018 07:36

1ndig0 and warrick, spot on.

PilatesSuck · 03/03/2018 07:47

How would you feel if your son's wife was working because your son didn't earn enough money?

If they had to both work and one wanted to be a sahp i would freel sad for them and try to help if j could.

If they both wanted to work i would feel happy that they found good childcare.

In your scenario the mum hasnt failed, not that mums fail going back to work anyway. In your scenario using your words above then any failure is due to your son not providing enough...

MMcanny · 03/03/2018 07:49

I’ve always worked, mostly full time and don’t regret it one bit. For context: office has been closed last three days for stay-at-Home snow day fun. Now we’re all sick of it so I’m working the weekend. Can be put up in a fancy hotel all-expenses-paid if I want. Haven’t decided yet. I’ve had plenty school run and assembly attendance (worked from home -flexi shifts). Able to keep it all together through dh getting ill. Have had such a full life which without working just wouldn’t have been possible. The kids are turning out so well. I’ve been there every step of the way. I’ve averaged being away at work just 12hours if their awake/off school time each week so really, no regrets. It’s made me a better Mum for the break and makes me more interesting to them as I can show them things/places opportunities they’d never have had if I didn’t have a fabulous career. But then I’ve enjoyed it thoroughly too. I know not all jobs are equal. I could have married someone with a fabulous career and taken their pay for good times with the kids and let him show them the world but I like being the one they’re in awe at.

PilatesSuck · 03/03/2018 07:50

eeanne im just very glad that when i was caught deep in my pnd and sad about not doing part time, i did read such cunty judgy things. The same for anyone else who struggled with it.

Idiotic indeed and very goady.

orangesticker · 03/03/2018 07:51

I like being the one they’re in awe at. Dh has the amazing career but the dcs are not in awe of them - I'm glad they're not - he's just Dad and being just Dad grounds him....he gets enough of people being in bloody awe of him at work!

user1471426142 · 03/03/2018 07:53

Working part time seems to be best for me. By the end of my maternity leave, I think my husband was starting to get a bit resentful that he was working and I was having quite a nice time off. I was also missing some mental stimulation. I loved mat leave but once my friends started going back to work it wasn’t quite the same. I love my days off with my little girl and would miss them terribly if I couldn’t work part time.

But, i have struggled a bit with the implications of part time working for my career and I don’t think I’ll ever have the perfect balance. I’m just about managing the juggling act now and I often work on my mom-working days. I imagine I’ll need to go full time at some point but managing school terrifies me. I don’t know how you can fit everything in with two parents working full time.

PilatesSuck · 03/03/2018 07:54

Caring is a very valuable thing to do, be it sahp, child minder, nursery nurse or carer.

In terms of role models, there are fantastic sahp and wohp. There are also a small amount of lazy irresponsible ones too. So long as people do what is best for them and their family and arent forced by finances or situation then it is all good.

KatharinaRosalie · 03/03/2018 07:57

Education in nursing, early childhood education or similar is of course great for a SAHM. My law degree would get mild to moderate use if I didn't work, maybe only the Alternative Dispute Resolution module Grin

Stretchoutandwait · 03/03/2018 08:06

Excellent post Babbitywabbit. Completely agree that of the children in my DCs class you cannot tell who has a WOHM and who has a SAHM (equally, of the adults I know, I couldn’t tell whose mother worked and whose didn’t).

I also agree with a poster above who mentioned that there isn’t just a dichotomy of SAHM and WOHM, but many shades in between. DH and I both work FT but in jobs that are so flexible that, between us, we can attend all school events, minimise childcare needs (we use about 6-8h per week per child) and support DC in extracurricular activities. Most working parents I know have a similar set up.

I don’t think there is anything wrong with the traditional one parent working long hours, one parent staying at home set up. It suits many families well. However, it doesn’t suit everyone. Neither me nor DH want to be a SAHP, but neither of us want to work long hours and miss out on time with the DC. I think the future lies with flexible working, enabling both parents to combine a career with raising a family.

Timtims · 03/03/2018 08:13

I recognise my strengths and weaknesses.
I am very good at my job, and I love the challenges it brings.
I'm no good at entertaining DCs all day (get a bit listless rather than creative!).
That being said, I struggled with the idea of FT nursery when DCs were tiny, so worked PT for 8y.

I don't judge SAHM or WOHM, unless and until they start moaning about how their life is the hardest.

Kokeshi123 · 03/03/2018 08:17

I think you won't get many people who say "I regret it" because if someone goes back and then decides that they don't like it after all, well, they will probably just quit. Nothing stopping them, after all.

Whereas it's not quite the same the other way round: if you have exited from the workforce, depending on your career type it can sometimes be hard to get back in again.

Warrick1 · 03/03/2018 08:23

Just spoke to my husband about this and he summed it up nicely. It’s easy to fall into the “just do what’s right for you/it’s all relative/everyone’s different etc answer”. But for all of us, really, work just gets in the way of life. Even if you like your job.

He also said (a bit sharply perhaps) that the OP would get more honest responses by asking a harsher question. For those that have a genuine choice about returning to work (and only those):
“Did you ever cry when you left a job? Did you cry when you left your little one at Nursery for the first time?” Like I said a bit sharp but he has been up since 4 with DS.

Slightlygreyhair · 03/03/2018 08:27

SAHM isn’t valued because people label others by their job. So if I was a paid carer for two kids with special needs that would be ok in others eyes. Even though that would be a working day.

Because I’m a mum to two kids with special needs that doesn’t count - even though it’s potentially 24 hours/ 7 days. People ask ‘when are you going back to work?’.

Other than that I don’t care what people do, it’s their choice. Most people strive to put their kids first whether they work or not. I remember part-time being the best option, but that became impossible after a while.

mammyoftwo · 03/03/2018 08:27

A pp asked if I came back, I did a few times uppost, most recently around midnight. Have a full day so it'll be a while before I can come back and comment fully. There have been lots of interesting posts overnight.

(slightlygreyhair there is a lot of research in the fields of psychology and sociology around a child's contact with primary caregivers/parents and attachment (benefits of same). I fully acknowledge other contributing factors in the rise in adolescent mental health issues and suicidality eg screen time, how socicl media is used (my professional experience includes psychology in mental health services).

OP posts:
Bluntness100 · 03/03/2018 08:34

It's certainly not an issue for men

I'm not even sure it's an issue for most women. Stay at home mums are now a very small percentage and it's declining, I think it's less than two in ten. The overwhelming majority of women work and financially contribute to support their families.

Is it modelling 1950s house wife behaviour? Doing your gender w disservice? I'm not sure, I think that if you have a choice, the option, and the ability to go out and work and you chose to stay home when the kids are in school then yes there is an element of that.

There are many women who want to work and can't, due to schedules Or costs, and there are many who just don't want to leave their kids at a young age and then chomp at the bit to get back into employment when kids are at school, I doubt anyone takes issues with either of these categories of women. They are doing what they need to.

But as the many threads on here show there are also a lot who fundamentally simply don't want to work so will jump at the chance to just stay home and then fight against going back. These are the women who aren't good role models. Just like it is when a man is unemployed and refusing to work. The ones who dress it up as being all about the kids, when in reality it's all about them and their overwhelming desire not to Work.

orangesticker · 03/03/2018 08:36

One of my friends had to give up her job (she worked 4 days a week in the city) when they moved to America for a secondment secured by her dh - she didn't have a visa to work so stayed at home. She said she hadn't realised how little time she spent with her family, there was always a task to be done and she felt she had a better relationship with her dc and her marriage improved too, she was really surprised by the positive impact being at home had. She's now a resident and able to work and she does - about 8 hours a week, paid work for a local cancer charity.

Sprinklesinmyelbow · 03/03/2018 08:47

the rise in tutoring in even primary aged kids is likely to be linked to the fact parents are no longer setting their children up as well before school as they did and, unsurprisingly, nurseries/pre schools cannot match what parents could do one to one

I don’t think this is true- if anything educationally children benefit far more from being in an educational environment being prepared for school 8 hours a day than they do being at home with a parent. I don’t see how your average parent would be anywhere near as good at preparing their child for school?

A lot of primary school teachers have told me you can see a marked difference in the abilities of children who’ve been in childcare vs those that stayed at home.

Sprinklesinmyelbow · 03/03/2018 08:49

1ndig0- at the same time my experience is families where both parents work are jointly earning more than any but the highest earners. You must have a large number of properties to be paying anything like the tax of a person on PAYE earning say £60k, so many that I don’t see how that doesn’t basically make it a full time job.

FaFoutis · 03/03/2018 08:57

The ones who dress it up as being all about the kids, when in reality it's all about them and their overwhelming desire not to Work

I know a lot of women like this. As soon as the children are in full time school they get a dog.

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