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AIBU to say that Tony Blair should go away

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BanyanTree · 01/03/2018 12:12

Tony Blair is in Brussels today to convince EU leaders to try and stop Brexit.

TheEgoHasLanded

Whether you support Brexit or not, Tony Blair still has not got the message that we do not are what he thinks, he has no credibility in the UK and he does not represent us.

Tony Blair and his wife should go live in America where they think he is great and leave us Brits in peace. We are not interested in anything he has to say. We do not trust him. He is still trying to find himself a role as big as his over inflated ego.

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IcedPurple · 01/03/2018 15:58

I believe he should go away, but not too far, mind you.

Only as far as The Hague.

Beetlejizz · 01/03/2018 16:02

The thing is that it's not actually a contradiction in terms for someone to have acted in a manner conducive to peace in some of their behaviours and in a manner conducive to war in others. Blair is not the only leader for whom this could be said. NI in particular contains a few of them.

The OPs response is appropriate when Blair feels the need to wade into discussion about peace in the Middle East, and his envoy role was a sick joke. But the fact is that he is someone with a lot of knowledge about and a significant role in the NI peace process, like it or not.

Accountant222 · 01/03/2018 16:10

He is the reason Brexit happened, the man is a joke he should be standing trial at The Hague. Northern Ireland peace process- gave them all a get out of jail card.
The only thing Tony Blair is interested in is Tony Blair

Parker231 · 01/03/2018 16:17

Blair was useless but thank goodness no where near as disgusting as Thatcher. She was a criminal.

numptynuts · 01/03/2018 16:21

It doesn't matter that he's a lying, warmongering cunt, he's still right.

It does matter, therefore even if he's right, he should shut the hell up and crawl back under his rock.

There are others who speak just as well as him. He's so disgusting he's doing damage to remainers by opening his lying trap.

Beetlejizz · 01/03/2018 16:27

Nope, him being a lying warmongering cunt doesn't mean he's not right. As evidence by the fact that he is both a lying warmongering cunt and right. You would need to show evidence of your assertion that he's damaging remainers by opening his lying trap.

And honestly, this isn't just about people being good speakers. He is someone who was a key figure in the NI peace process, thus he speaks with knowledge and experience that most do not have. There are a very small number of people for whom that is true. Several of them are dead, one is not British and thus would also be told to keep out of it by lots of people, and another is suffering from dementia. This does not leave a very big pool. None of this is a matter of opinion.

Also, what does this even mean?

Northern Ireland peace process- gave them all a get out of jail card.

Want2bSupermum · 01/03/2018 16:28

disguise ISILs continuing genocide against Yazidis is ongoing. Also ISIS has been a catastrophe for Sunnis in Iraq.

Sadam Hussein was no angel but he was being controlled effectively. Removing him also resulted in minorities being persecuted in Iraq.

numptynuts · 01/03/2018 16:35

You would need to show evidence of your assertion that he's damaging remainers by opening his lying trap.

Because who respects and listens to the opinion of a lying, warmongering cunt? A known liar will always sow seeds of doubt, how can you trust the word of a liar?

And yes, there are many liars out theee but his smug, self-served, self importance makes me want to switch off to him rather than listen.

Niceandwarmandhot · 01/03/2018 16:40

That self absorbed narcissistic lying self interested fuckwit can fuck off to the far side of fuck. And when he gets there, he can fucking well be tried for being a fucking war criminal. calls himself a labour man; a socialist - yet makes millions out of politics that he's hardly rushing to redistribute fairly. Cannot stand the lying bastard.

He may well be right, but the sight of him barrelling on in there and banging on about stopping Brexit with no authority whatsoever is quite literally the only thing that could make me thaw even marginally towards it, epic clusterfuck that it is.

Key word: fuck.

Urgh!

Beetlejizz · 01/03/2018 16:41

That's not evidence. That's just you telling us what you think. It isn't proof that more people will be daft enough to think that because someone is a liar they can't also be right about a topic they know more about than most people, nor is it proof that people with your views will outweigh people who think differently to you.

There is a reason that the two PMs with significant experience of the NI peace process, Blair and Major, have both spoken up now. It's because they're right. Palatably or otherwise.

numptynuts · 01/03/2018 16:49

Evidently, I'm not the only one.

TemporarySign · 01/03/2018 16:54

At the end of the day, leaving the EU is one of the highest level political games on the planet, far higher than anyone on here unless there are some Foreign Office civil servants on here. It's far too complex for most us to begin to grasp. It's also demonstrably far too complex for our current lot of amateur politicians to grasp. If our senior statesmen are prepared to come back and negotiate a way out of this, please please please listen to them.

Did anyone see this news story? www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43239331 If the Cold War is about to resume between Russia and America this is not the time to turn our backs on allies.

Bloody hope the EU will at least start to listen this time. It's always been ridiculous to suggest that one rule can hold true for so many different states in so many different circumstances.

Bluelady · 01/03/2018 16:57

With you all the way, Beetlejizz. Constant repetition of "lying, warmongering cunt" really doesn't have the intellectual rigour of a compelling argument.

Beetlejizz · 01/03/2018 17:04

Imagine knowing that Brexit will threaten the NI peace process, but being willing to accept it anyway because a person who has actual experience of said peace process says it's a bad idea. And doing so because you're opposed to war. Imagine. The phrase fucking for virginity springs to mind.

numptynuts · 01/03/2018 17:04

Maybe not bluelady. But the man stirs up a bit of passion in some, be that unintelligent or not.

ConfessionsOfTeenageDramaQueen · 01/03/2018 17:08

He's basically Trump - an egomaniac only interested in himself.

I read the Fire & Fury book and one of the things that stuck with me is that Trump, lurching from PR crisis to PR crisis, is desperate to do anything that will give him some good PR and cement his legacy as a beloved President (yes he's deluded). So when everything was going to shit he decided he was going to solve the Mid East crisis. Obv that hasn't happened.

Blair is exactly the same. He had that huge fund or whatever it was paying millions every year with an office in Jerusalem so he could solve the Mid East crisis (while simultaneously rubbing shoulders and doing deals with some of the dodgiest people in the Arab world) and now he's bored of that he's moved onto "saving" us from Brexit.

He is a dangerous man. (Egomaniacs always are though).

birdsdestiny · 01/03/2018 17:10

If he is going to save us from Brexit give me a dangerous man any day.

onlyconnect · 01/03/2018 17:14

I heard him on the radio talking about Brexit and it was the most sense I've heard in a long time. YABU.

Beetlejizz · 01/03/2018 17:22

I wonder what Trump would've done had he been involved in the NI peace process? Probably tried to sexually assault Mo Mowlam.

Theworldisfullofidiots · 01/03/2018 17:23

To be honest Jacob Rees-Mogg is the most dangerous man around at the moment.

BoogleMcGroogle · 01/03/2018 20:17

theworldisfullofidiots I completely agree about Rees-Mogg. And while the liberal centrist intelligentsia are busy doing sneery laughing at him, he's been ploughing his furrow as the most likely next leader of the Tories. With Labour unelectable and the Lib Dems writhing like a tiny upturned beetle, it's a chilling prospect.

Bluelady · 01/03/2018 20:23

There's nothing about the current political scene that isn't chilling. I find it quite terrifying that we haven't got a single politician with any intelligence, integrity or leadership ability.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 01/03/2018 20:32

I hate the lying criminal. If I shook hands with him I’d have to check all my fingers we’re still there (not that I ever would taint myself by shaking hands with him, although I might consider slapping his smug face). His decisions made the world a far more dangerous place so there’s no way on earth I’d take anything he said seriously.

He can fuck off back under his rock with his equally odious wife.

numptynuts · 01/03/2018 21:22

Exactly pink. Now I know most politician are underhanded self serving twonks who know nothing about real life but him, HIM, ugh...absolutely not someone to represent those that chose to remain. He's an embarrassment.

Those that are saying he's right (yes ok) and NI peace process etc etc oh please, as if he was parading around like the peace maker, big I am. He who helped create the abhorrent situation in Iraq and subsequent disaster afterwards...on our streets.

And no I'm not anti war. I was in the British army throughout the Iraq crisis and believed his bullshit. I was raring to go. WMD training (haha what a fucking joke). My friends that endured that shit, especially those on optelic one, suffered PTSD, mental health problems etc etc etc, every time I see his slimy face and listen to that diarrhoea from his mouth I think of them and he makes me sick!

Theworldisfullofidiots · 01/03/2018 21:25

Worry about potential and current leaders. Put your energy into looking at the future. Try not to repeat the same mistakes rather than sneering at the past - you can't change it. In a couple of years time they might look better (less worse) in comparison to what we end up with. If you're not careful we are going to sleep walk into something even worse.

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