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AIBU to say that Tony Blair should go away

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BanyanTree · 01/03/2018 12:12

Tony Blair is in Brussels today to convince EU leaders to try and stop Brexit.

TheEgoHasLanded

Whether you support Brexit or not, Tony Blair still has not got the message that we do not are what he thinks, he has no credibility in the UK and he does not represent us.

Tony Blair and his wife should go live in America where they think he is great and leave us Brits in peace. We are not interested in anything he has to say. We do not trust him. He is still trying to find himself a role as big as his over inflated ego.

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Steamcloud · 01/03/2018 12:54

I'm glad that he is speaking up. And John Major.

He is not despised by me and I am happy someone is taking action.

Someone needs to challenge Boris, Gove and Rees-Smug and co. The time for bluster and obfuscation are over. It's time to make hard decisions based on factual evidence.

Steamcloud · 01/03/2018 12:56

argh - is over!

Bluelady · 01/03/2018 12:58

I'm very grateful to anyone with influence speaking up against Brexit. Blair and Major can both crack on for me.

thecatfromjapan · 01/03/2018 13:00

I completely agree with pillicent. He's a former Prime Minister. And his governments were successful and brought raised standards of wealth, health and well-being to a large part of the UK population. He brought in the GFA. It's alarming that his reputation is so trashed. It's truly alarming.

I also think history will be a lot kinder to him than present-day opnion (with Birdsgottafly). The Labour governments did enormous amounts to increase well-being in the UK.

I suspect that Labour in-fighting has a lot to do with the continued trivialisation and trashing of TB's reputation. It's not good, I think, in the long run because it has obscured how much the last Labour government's did and it diminishes TB's interventions now. He's respected outside the UK for good reason.

Honestly, he's a head and shoulders above the current government. The fact that this isn't utterly obvious is actually quite alarming.

thecatfromjapan · 01/03/2018 13:03

NHS waiting lists shortened. Increased funding for schools and NHS. Increasing financial and social assistance for the poorest in the UK. And not hated by business like our current government (who are desperate to get May and co. out of power because they're running the economy into a brick wall).

Seriously, in what world are we living where Blair is worse than May and Co?

mothertruck3r · 01/03/2018 13:04

The irony is that he is mostly responsible for Brexit. If he had insisted on a transitional immigration system when countries like Poland joined the EU (like other countries did) then we wouldn't have had as much pressure on housing, schooling, health care and jobs which prompted a lot of people (especially those suffering in the North) to vote for Brexit. Labour said approx 15,000 Poles would come to the UK and it ended up being over 1 million. Either this is a gross miscalculation (in which case who can trust Labour with numbers) or it was done on purpose to stop any backlash. He is a duplicitous, hypocritical liar and his chickens have now come home to roost.

papayasareyum · 01/03/2018 13:05

Blair is the reason Brexit won, the man is an idiot

Want2bSupermum · 01/03/2018 13:07

I don't think history will be kind to him. He made a major mistake supporting Bush and going into Iraq. IMO he is one step off Hitler for his actions resulting in the persecution of Muslims in the Middle East. He had an opportunity to stand up to Bush and talk him out of going into Iraq. Instead he took the easy path and clearly got a nice little pay out for himself. He has blood on his hands and his soul.

He can by all means talk about Brexit. Every single thing the man says I discount because history has proven he made very few 'good' decisions as leader. The fact he is speaking against Brexit makes me feel more secure that we are making the right choices now for our future.

Bluelady · 01/03/2018 13:07

Cameron is the reason for Brexit, he was the one that gave all the fuckwits a referendum.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 01/03/2018 13:08

mother

eurosceptiscism existed long before Blair. The complaints you make re: schooling, housing etc have been shown to be the fault of consecutive British governments not the EU/immigration. Sad that people are still peddling this crap.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 01/03/2018 13:09

Blair is the reason Brexit won, the man is an idiot

Why? Did people vote leave to spite him? If they did then its pretty idiotic.

Want2bSupermum · 01/03/2018 13:10

cat My toddler has better leadership skills than the current government. The only reason May is PM is because no one else, including JC, wants the job of managing the Brexit process.

MissionItsPossible · 01/03/2018 13:12

@GhostofFrankGrimes

I’ve seen that argument against Cameron, not Blair. Blair is the reason Brexit won due to his actions while in power.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 01/03/2018 13:15

I’ve seen that argument against Cameron, not Blair. Blair is the reason Brexit won due to his actions while in power.

What actions? If its about immigration then its nonsense as there are now worker shortages in some sectors due to Brexit.

soapboxqueen · 01/03/2018 13:15

At the moment when I hear many of our old guard politicians speak (labour, lib dem and God help me tory) , it feels like the grown ups have come back. Rather than these ridiculous, incompetent, self-serving arseholes we have right now (I'm including all parties in that).
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We are in a mess. Not the theoretical , 'bloody kids today', 'lets get back to how things were' sort of mess. An actual serious mess. What makes it worse is our chaotic, selfish government and our complete joke of an opposition. I don't care who you normally vote for or what you voted in the referendum, nobody can be looking at this shit show and be thinking they're doing well, or OK, or satisfactorily or anything remotely above disaster in the making.
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Maybe things won't be a complete disaster in the end but it won't be because of the work done by any of these pillocks. It will be inspite of them.
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So in the interim if an ex-pm who won the 3 general eclections wants to have discussions with other politicians as a private citizen*, I'd struggle for it to be in my top 50 things I'm concerned about.
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*I'm not aware of any UK positions he holds

numptynuts · 01/03/2018 13:16

Doesn't matter if his opinions are relevant or not. The man is a lying, warmongering cunt.

mothertruck3r · 01/03/2018 13:16

eurosceptiscism existed long before Blair. The complaints you make re: schooling, housing etc have been shown to be the fault of consecutive British governments not the EU/immigration. Sad that people are still peddling this crap.

Completely disagree. Immigration under NuLabour was massive and very quick. I have seen London change beyond recognition in the past 20 years. I agree that other Governments were partly responsible for some of the issues but NuLabour/Blair oversaw huge increases in house/rental prices, huge increases to the welfare system, pressure on jobs/healthcare.

PS. I'm not peddling anything. I have experienced it first hand.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 01/03/2018 13:20

House prices rose to due BTLs, relaxed borrowing 125% mortgages for example.

The "welfare" system is being run down - see austerity 2010-present. Same with NHS.

kmc1111 · 01/03/2018 13:21

He’s a war criminal. He should be rotting in jail for the rest of his life. Having escaped that, the least he could do is not further subject us to his smug face.

CassandraCross · 01/03/2018 13:22

If what is reported in the link is what TB is going to say then it's a fair and reasonable speech, however, the chances of the powers that be in the EU listening and actually doing anything are somewhere between nil and no chance.

It is not only UK citizens who dislike the EU in its current form, there is a lot of dissatisfaction with the EU leadership and the manner in which it is conducting itself right across the EU. The EU is, as ever, turning a deaf ear and ploughing on regardless, there is no realistic prospect of them reforming.

birdsdestiny · 01/03/2018 13:24

Brexit would not have happened if Blair had been leader of the opposition, he would have run a successful campaign unlike corbyn.

Theworldisfullofidiots · 01/03/2018 13:25

The thing is regardless of what you think of him (and I think he was wrong but wonder what most people would do in all honesty when pressurised by the US) he's right about this and so is Major.
Even if Brexit had a glimmer of hope of not being a complete mess then that's certainly not possible given any of our current leaders. And God forbid we end up with 'man of the people' Rees-Mogg who rather ironically accused Major of being one of the European Elite last night.

cornflower123 · 01/03/2018 13:54

YABU OP. The country is in a complete and utter mess right now. I despair of the likes of May/Davis/Boris/Rees-mogg etc and the damage now being done this country. I have no confidence in Corbyn and team as an alternative. I would hazard a guess that most people agree with his point of view on Brexit , but the Blair brand is so toxic thanks to our wonderful free press Angry, so no chance of him being able to make a come-back. Never thought I'd see the day when I was supporting John Major and Ken Clarke though, how has that happened?

frankchickens · 01/03/2018 13:56

If him and John Major formed a new party to represent the centre I would become a member tomorrow.

Centre? They are both way to the right and nasty liars to boot.

frankchickens · 01/03/2018 13:57

Never thought I'd see the day when I was supporting John Major and Ken Clarke though, how has that happened?

There is no reason and no excuse for that at all.

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