I read on the web that someone asked for a new conspiracy thread...

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Here it is!!!

How about this:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

All sorts of conspiracies elsewhere on the web.

Wait what - all photos of earth are composites?? That’s not true. I need proof of that.

Bearing in mind that to take a picture of the WHOLE earth you need to be in a very specific range of distance from the earth. The ISS can’t do it, it’s too close.

Apollo 17 took some whole sphere pictures.

Lots of the newer ones are compositions because our cameras are in nearer earth orbits. But ‘single image’ pics of earth do exist.

I truly think we went there but radiation destroyed the film so they shot it in studios to save face

*Justanotherlurker
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"Hmmm. Something odd is going on. I wonder if there's a conspiracy? Oh, look, evidence shows there was a conspiracy. I was right"....is NOT a conspiracy theory.

A conspiracy theory asserts UNWARRANTED claims of a conspiracy...with Watergate and MK Ultra, people's suspicions were not unwarranted.

This differs from things like 9/11, Sandy Hook and the Moon landing "hoax" because claims of a conspiracy are based entirely on ignorance and nothing, absolutely nothing, suggests that anything nefarious was at foot.

So a conspiracy theory is theory because it is yet to be proved (or disproved).

MKUltra is totally bonkers sounding if we imagine being told without knowing it is true. It's nuts.

Tabbymack who gets to decide what is or is not "unwarranted"?

Anyhow, came on to post this:
www.urbo.com/content/absurd-claims-of-modern-flat-earth-conspiracy-theorists?rtg=snoop-vYadzr&param4=urbo-fni-fbss-2146-eint-mo-ocpm-android&param5=10154370220936186&param6=23842725370720334

No. A conspiracy theory relies on unwarranted claims of a conspiracy. In other words, there is no evidence of a conspiracy, no sensible reason to believe there is one but people do anyway - tending to ignore actual data and misinterpret facts to prop up their argument.

Watergate was not a conspiracy theory. But it was a conspiracy. As I said, it's not the same thing.

Who gets to decide what is "unwarranted"?

The facts decide.

Do you know what unwarranted means? It means without justification.

There is literally nothing that indicates that the moon landing was a hoax, therefore no one has any justification for believing that it was...and it is only their bullheaded scientific ignorance to keeps such notions alive.

I didn't make up the definition of a conspiracy theory, you know.

"A conspiracy theory asserts UNWARRANTED claims of a conspiracy...with Watergate and MK Ultra, people's suspicions were not unwarranted.

This differs from things like 9/11, Sandy Hook and the Moon landing "hoax" because claims of a conspiracy are based entirely on ignorance and nothing, absolutely nothing, suggests that anything nefarious was at foot."

Whilst I do agree with you about Sandy Hook and the moon landing, there's masses of evidence for a criminal deep state conspiracy for 9/11 and MKUltra/WW2/Operation Paperclip ties in with all of it.

However, although I may understand the various concepts, I am not qualified beyind my very basic A level Physics education to really know and there's plenty of compelling evidence that they did go to the moon

How about a Master of Science in Astronomy? Yo! I’m your woman.

Yes, we went to the moon, filmed it, and came back. Those men very nearly didn’t make it and seriously risked their lives by making an extremely dangerous landing. Not because they wanted to stick it to Russia, but because they wanted to walk on the moon. For astronauts like them it was worth dying for. It’s not ok to belittle their amazing achievement with this bullshit.

It’s not ok to belittle their amazing achievement with this bullshit
Ermmmm I think you may be misunderstanding my post. I said I am not qualified beyond a basic level.

Sorry, that last bit wasn’t directed at you.

Not really a conspiracy, but I'm not convinced by all the media reporting of "Russian bots" and the like... I think its just a cover-up for what our own government is doing to us. They are trying to blame other countries, and Russia is already seen as an enemy.

Either hat or they're planning on invading Russia in a few years, so have started the smear campaigns now. After all, they do have lots of oil...

Who on earth would invade Russia? No one has succeeded. Totally ridiculous idea.

You’d be an utter idiot to invade Russia. The terrain is against you, the climate is against you (its a balmy -18 in Moscow just now. Same temperature as it is at our place and I’ve just driven past road workers lighting huge fires on the ground to thaw it so they can dig.) the sheer number of people are against you. In both wars the Russians suffered shocking casualties because part of their strategy was ‘we have a lot of people, we just keep throwing them at you. You run out before we do.’

Russia plays a canny game - I know geopolitics is out of fashion but they are in a prime position between Europe and Asia - they know what they’re doing. They are fighting proxy wars in the Middle East and nibbling away at Europe’s borders. Putin isn’t stupid, he knows exactly what he’s doing. He’s helped to fix the us election and is well versed in the dark arts of propaganda. There are troll factories and they work. they don’t need to leave their home turf and they have a disproportionate impact on influencing opinion. Win win for Russia. They’ve neutralised Trump.

Only a moron would invade Russia. Unfortunately there are several of them around at the moment. Hopefully their advisors aren’t!

Invading Russia? The biggest country on the planet? Um, good luck with that!

The "Russian hackers" thing is bollocks.

Where is the evidence? As in, actual evidence, not 1 advert bought on Facebook or DM scaremongering.

They're just a convenient "bogeyman" so people look elsewhere, not at the faults in their own government.

All theories are just theories until proven correct, because only then do they become known facts. So the word "conspiracy" is superfluous and is used to ridicule ideas which may have some truth in them. Ridicule is an effective tactic for shutting down debate, so of course anyone powerful involved in dubious goings-on which begin to come to light is going to ensure the activities get labelled as a "conspiracy theory".

Please see above re the meaning of “conspiracy theory”. An idea you can test (as in there is some fact behind it) is called a hypothesis.

The "Russian hackers" thing is bollocks.

Depends what you mean by Russian hackers. There’s definitely troll factories creating multiple fake identities to post on comment boards for example (alt right groups use this as a tactic too.)

The extent of actual infiltration of systems by hacking I’d have no idea about. It’d be classified - look at the massive reaction to the couple of young men with autism who hacked into some pentagon systems.
But troll farms are a well known phenomenon, e.g the Internet Research Agency (IRA) (Агентство интернет-исследований) or ‘glasvet.’

There’s definitely troll factories creating multiple fake identities to post on comment boards for example (alt right groups use this as a tactic too.)

There are troll factories in every developed country, US has a massive network.

A lot of the "muh russia" narrative is to avoid some introspection on the complex reasons as to why Brexit or Trump could win, there is no doubt russia is involved in cyber espionage but what a lot of people refuse to believe is that they are not just doing it from the "alt-right" perspective and have suckered in a lot of people from across the political spectrum.

There are troll factories in every developed country, US has a massive network.

Oh totally. The decline of objective truth is one of the major casualties of our times. It started with24 hr news channels...

I rather gloomily predicted both brexit and a trump victory. :(

In bed, unwell - Mumsnet has been my solace & companion last night & today. My eyes are getting sore - can we get an unlibellous clue who the male(paedophile)singer from the 50's is? Ta!