I read on the web that someone asked for a new conspiracy thread...

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Here it is!!!

there have been bizarre conspiracies that turned out to be true

This is a good question. The stuff that has turned out to be true is probably what earlier posters classed as cover ups rather than conspiracies. So NSA surveillance, saville, etc. In a similar vein I’d not be surprised at all if there are worse revelations to come about people in power and child abuse for example. In fact be honest, it’s inevitable because a significant number people are just fucking awful.

I wouldnt class those as conspiracies though. To me the conspiracy theories are more like the lizards/di was killed blah blah stuff. Those I can’t think of anyvthat turned out to be true. Most are amusing, but I have to say I find the ones like crisis actors really distasteful. Those poor, poor families.

nobody has mentioned yet the structure thing in the baltic sea that looks like a millenium falcon. found in 2012, in 2017 they said it was natural leftover rock from the ice age which sounds like bollocks if you look at the photographs. some claim its a space ship but I think it is probably the old ruins of a lost civilisation, as that area used to be on land.

I wouldnt class those as conspiracies though.

I don't know, I bring it up all the time on threads like these, before the NSA leaks saying that the government of USA/UK/ 5 eyes was monitoring absolutely everything being done online you would be classed as a conspiracy nut, the same as those who were talking about some of the MKUltra stuff before that was declassified.

I was thinking about things like this:
healthland.time.com/2012/03/23/the-legacy-of-the-cias-secret-lsd-experiments-on-america/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States

I'd be considered a bit crackpot if I said to someone that I was convinced that the UK government had given me drugs last week and that I was still seeing fluffy pink clouds etc.

Ah cross post.
MKUltra. That's the one.

Unfortunately both UK and US governments did some pretty unsavoury medical experiments on their own. Porton Down, Tunguskee etc. It was the climate of the time (although still considered wrong even then.) there was a great book called something like ‘human guinea pigs’ by a doctor who blew the whistle on unethical medical experiements - he was of course sidelined for it and almost struck off.

I suppose both categories sort of blend into the other. It’s more of a spectrum really with the really bonkers lizard people shot at one end and the ‘yeah I can actually imagine that happening’ (any kind of abuse of power) at the other.

It’s also why we need a truly independent press and why the concept of fake news and alternative facts needs to be challenged. There is an objective truth and it can be uncovered. The more the alternative facts people grow the less objective truth we have, and the less critical thinking we do and the more stuff like conspiracy blends with reality.

Therein is the purpose of fake news. You end up not having a clue what to believe.

Thing is with the advent of the internet everyone thought that fake news would be a thing of the past everyone would seek out a balanced opinion, and that clearly hasn't happened.

As for alternative facts, again its become a fuzzy area because all media outlets draw a line and pick and choose which facts/stats to report on, everyone then seeks out facts to confirm their own biases.

This was uploaded today, which is apt (and has been done before to be fair)

imgur.com/Czj4XAO

Watergate

There was a "bizarre conspiracy theory" prior to that break in, was there?

Nope.

MK Ultra doesn't fit the bill either.

A conspiracy and a conspiracy theory are not the same thing.

Conspiracy theory (as so few seem to know) = ".....an explanation of an event or situation that invokes an unwarranted conspiracy, generally one involving an illegal or harmful act carried out by government or other powerful actors. Conspiracy theories often produce hypotheses that contradict the prevailing understanding of history or simple facts".

MK Ultra doesn't fit the bill either.

I think you are looking at MKUltra and NSA leaks with hindsight, as another PP posted, its a blurred line, Watergate was corruption that many people suspected, MKUltra, NSA - GCHQ was on the serious side of conspiracy theory before the leaks, declassifications.

I work for a company that has been mentioned in this and previous threads as a very senior developer, the NSA leaks freaked everyone in the industry out with the scale of what they were doing, that is with already knowing how much government already had access to personal data. Lets not pretend that this was some common knowledge that everyone just sort of lived with.

The fact that there hasn't been uproar is not because everyone "kind of knew", its that most people think it doesn't affect them personally.

Therefore MKUltra would fit your definition.
Servicemen lose the plot and ate convinced someone has given them a substance. This is vigorously denied. The general consensus is that the U.S. government would never do anything to harm it's citizens.

Just another lurker yes, that is a good way of putting it.
The "we know it's happening but it's not my problem" attitude.

nobody has mentioned yet the structure thing in the baltic sea that looks like a millenium falcon. found in 2012, in 2017 they said it was natural leftover rock from the ice age which sounds like bollocks if you look at the photographs

Let me stop you there. There are no photographs. What you see online are images created in computers of what people imagine the object might look like. There was a dodgy sonar image and some video footage that just looks like a normal rock formation.

They said it was likely a glacial deposit. Do you know much about how the Baltic Sea formed? It was formed by glaciers.

some claim its a space ship but I think it is probably the old ruins of a lost civilisation, as that area used to be on land

You would be closer to the mark as the formation is known to be made of stone (even the suspect original divers state this). That said, I don’t imagine a glacier is a great place to build.

There are bizarre examples of natural rock formations all over the world. Why wouldn’t this just be another one?

Take a look at snopes for a thorough explanation of why it’s all nonsense.

I was looking at the sonar pics, not the terrible cgi ones, of which there are many . it looks man made to me, the curve of the shape doesn't look natural. its hard as our brains automatically look for meaning in rock formations (face on mars for example) but there is increasing evidence that advanced civilisations have existed thousands of years earlier than first thought, so anything like this is interesting.

I wonder if the moon landings are so widely disbelieved because some of the photographs are so unbelievable by modern standards. I truly think we went there but radiation destroyed the film so they shot it in studios to save face. At the time who would have predicted the internet and millions of people looking over each photograph to work out light sources and picking apart every detail?

But the sonar pics are notoriously unreliable...

Also did you RTFT (as in the last one)? The moon landing thing was covered quite extensively. I can’t believe anyone still thinks this.

I truly think we went there but radiation destroyed the film
Never heard that before.

That’s why I struggle with the moon landings, and other space exploration because of the radiation/ Van Allen belt

No one did anything about Jimmy Saville because any time they threatened to do so, he would say "ok, but I'm sure you'll miss the x million quid I raise for your hospital every year".
I live very near stoke mandeville hospital, and I can promise you everyone knew about it.

I truly think we went there but radiation destroyed the film so they shot it in studios to save face.

Including the pics of the earth? The earth rise?

That’s why I struggle with the moon landings, and other space exploration because of the radiation/ Van Allen belt
I sure a very compelling documentary that used this very point.

However, although I may understand the various concepts, I am not qualified beyind my very basic A level Physics education to really know and there's plenty of compelling evidence that they did go to the moon.

Not sure, saw

The pics of the earth are all cgi or composites. Never has a single shot picture of earth been released. The imagery of Earth from the first moon landing you can see the leaked footage online, they talked about taking it and it was very suspicious.

I am fascinated about the Antarctic, that is very mysterious too.

Backscratchesforever Sun 25-Feb-18 13:14:02

That’s why I struggle with the moon landings, and other space exploration because of the radiation/ Van Allen belt

The level of radiation received by the Apollo astronauts varied between missions depending on the flight path (the belt varies in size), but from what I can see online, at no point did they receive a dose higher than the annual level set by the United States Atomic Energy Commission for people who work with radioactivity.

Backscratcher what is interesting about the Antarctic?
Randomly watched a new episode of X Files last night which showed the moon landing being filmed in a studio