To hope that we can follow Iceland in banning male circumcision

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It really is time that this nasty practice is stopped.
www.theguardian.com/society/2018/feb/18/iceland-ban-male-circumcision-first-european-country

Oh some witch doctor I found on gumtree nice lady she did a good job

He said ouch at one point

New year it's relevant to me for a number of issues.

It's interesting how it came about in the the US based on misguided medical thought later discredited, it's interesting now the idea took hold and spread and its interesting as to why its dropping away in popularity.

It's also relevant on a thread which is being shoe horned into a religious attack.

Im in awe of Melissa saying that history repeats itself to us....given the history of her people.

Too late to the debate to read the whole thread and probably done already but I will throw in my 2 cents anyway to follow the end of the debate

There are claims medically circumcision protects against infections (at least I was told by a Muslim friend anyhow)

FGM can stop a woman from having sex or enjoying sex, cause problems in childbirth, it's not the equal imo to circumcision as it can have devastating lifelong effects physically and psychologically whereas usually circumcision isn't remembered and in terms of how things work it doesn't make any impact on ability to have or enjoy sex

I don't think with the % population of Abrahamic faith believers we have in the UK it would ever be practical to make it illegal... it would still happen, at least let it stay legal that it can be done safely and people don't avoid seeking treatment if there ever are complications

what people is that NewYearNiki...?

Yes so similar to so many poor babies then.. Some people unqualified random, putting babies lives at risk for vanity and tradition...

Sounds more like the middle ages to me

And cutting off a babies fore skin isn’t “middle age”?
It’s barbaric to be doing that in 2018.

Bertrand they ate trying to stamp it out in states new York in particular, its rare but several babies died from herpes and got brain infections. They tried to do consent forms but the mohels tried to stop this so the source of infection couldn't beat traced back to the them.

'lol, a thread where a bunch of gentiles think they are being so progressive and original, insinuating or outright saying that Jews are "sick", perverted, child abusers, and that we should emulate a largely mono-cultural, inbred and isolated island in their approach to religious tolerance. And yet there are also calls to live in the 21st century! Sounds more like the middle ages to me - history does tend to repeat itself!' strawman fallacy but even if they said that red herring fallacy and guilt by association fallacy

I think that's the best line off the thread.

Explain why circumcision isn't in the the babies best interests.

Ffs of course routinely it doesn’t protect from infection!! What infection would that be? Syphillis? Gonnorhoea? Matters not a jot with or without a foreskin. It’s a biblical nonsense annout dated and frankly has no place in Britain in 2018.

melissa no issues with adult males making the choice! Wouldn’t that solve the issue so leaving babies alone and letting the men decide if that’s what they want to do post 18??

Religions are just weird, full stop. Trying to justify the things they do is a waste of time since 'belief' trumps everything and excuses everything.

what people is that NewYearNiki...?

You called us gentiles and only Jews call us that.

As for history repeats itself? Take it to yourself.

But we can’t allow that jason or we would be tolerating forced marriage, honour killings, fgm snd male circumcision all in the name of religion!

And isn’t it amazing that all this barbarism is practised against children and women?

Mysogynistic and nasty. Well who would have thought it aye?

The USA thing is probably greedy healthcare providers.

Health care is expensive and the Drs can charge insurance companies for the procedure. They make billions i bet.

This is a case where I haven't RTFT. Usually I'm all for religious practises but This is one of those that needs to be banned. Mutilating a child for religious reasons is not on.

I don't think with the % population of Abrahamic faith believers we have in the UK it would ever be practical to make it illegal... it would still happen, at least let it stay legal that it can be done safely and people don't avoid seeking treatment if there ever are complications

nirvanna fallacy and appeal to the law and not understanding christianity is an abrahamic religion

Hmm.....I am a gentile myself actually. But sure, I'll take some history too.

Racism: I don’t want Muslims and Jews (both of whom feature in different branches of my loving extended family) to be stopped from circumcision because they are Muslims or Jews. I want them to stop because circumcision on a non-consenting child is ethically wrong.

@bluepears not all Christians feel circumcision is a part of their faith. There are some who do however though Christians are far less known for this than Jews and Muslims

I haven't read the whole thread but anyway, despite coming from a culture/ faith background where male circumcision is the norm, and with the understanding that there are health benefits noted by global institutions like WHO, I feel that it would be better to have an agreed age of consent. For Muslims as some have noted, the age it is done varies a lot and there's no religious rule saying it can't be done as an adult. Jewish traditions on the other hand - i don't know what the debate is like in devout communities although as far as i'm aware often the operation is often conducted by a non medical community circumciser? If that is the case it seems there should at least be a law regulating this.

Re islamophobia on the early pages of the thread- it is there no doubt when people are citing barbaric alqaeda punishments like burying men and women at various depths for stoning as if they are part of mainstream islam

If any other bit of a baby was cut off, SS would get involved.

But banning the circumcision of babies and young children in Iceland doesn't mean those children won't be circumcised. The parents will just take them over to a country that will do it and bring them back to Iceland when they have recovered enough to travel.
Circumcision is not something Muslim and Jewish people take lightly
In my experience. Putting a ban on it won't altar the thinking of groups of people that have been doing it forever.

SS do not get involved when little girls get stabbed, also known as ear piercing.

DH was circumcised. It was the done thing where he was born. I have three boys and there is no way I would ever have let that happen to them, barring medical reasons obviously. DH was in complete agreement.

My mum practiced as a midwife in a country where circumcisions were carried out by a consultant just after birth, unaccompanied by their parents. She hated it and stopped shortly after that. All she said to me was that mothers and father should be made to watch what they've chosen to inflict on their babies.

Religion and/or tradition is not a good enough reason for any form of abuse, human or animal, physical or emotional.