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Which conspiracy theories do you believe?

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beluga425 · 18/02/2018 15:48

Which theories, dismissed by many as conspiracy theories, do you regard as the truth?

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BalloonSlayer · 20/02/2018 07:04

I didn't notice the "Queen Elizabeth 1 was a boy" on on here. Hahaha! Do people even read history? Everyone was so desperate for her to be a boy, if there was even any chance she could have been disguised as one, and faces saved, she probably would have been! Her Mum was basically executed because she wasn't a boy. Give me strength!

TabbyMack · 20/02/2018 07:17

The speeding ticket thing is unsubstantiated rumour.

There were CCTV cameras..some didn't work, some were unmanned after 11pm, some didn't take video and could only be viewed in real time.

The photographer with the Fiat had a cast iron alibi, and his car was so old and crappy it could never have been used to engineer a crash. In any event, multiple independant experts said it would be close to impossible to make a car crash in that manner.

The only thing that stinks are these batshit theories.

KevinTheYuccaPlant · 20/02/2018 07:19

I read a lot of history, BalloonSlayer, and if she could have been swapped at birth, I'm sure they'd have given it a go. However, she was sent to Bisley aged 11 to escape plague and the old story is that that she died very shortly before Henry VIII was due to visit her. With no other red-haired female children of the right age in the area, her wards, concerned she would be executed by the King, who wasn't exactly the most even-tempered bloke, dressed a red-haired boy up as the princess instead and since Henry wasn't that interested in her (he hadn't seen her since she was 3 years old), the deception passed.

300 years later, the owner of the house Elizabeth had been staying in, the local Reverend, was making some alterations and found an unmarked grave with the body of a little girl inside it, dressed in fine clothes of the Tudor period with lots of rings on her fingers. There was no record of any noble's daughter dying in the village during that time and he had the body re-buried, but it's possible that he found Elizabeth Tudor.

KevinTheYuccaPlant · 20/02/2018 07:22

cista - look at letters which have been italicised in the word 'ambling' in the post and then Google just that bit of it and see who comes up as a founder.

gussyfinknottle · 20/02/2018 07:24

"300 years later, the owner of the house Elizabeth had been staying in, the local Reverend, was making some alterations and found an unmarked grave with the body of a little girl inside it, dressed in fine clothes of the Tudor period with lots of rings on her fingers. There was no record of any noble's daughter dying in the village during that time and he had the body re-buried, but it's possible that he found Elizabeth Tudor."
And it wasn't tested for DNA because ......

Backenette · 20/02/2018 07:28

I dont think Diana was murdered. Her credibility was pretty poor by that point - she was seen as rather a pathetic figure rather than any kind of righteous angel.
She was being driven by a drunk, the car she was in was a cut and shut job, and the guy was speeding.
I feel extremely sorry for her kids - but the rather mawkish seas of flowers at the time were just ridiculous.

I don’t believe Elizabeth was a boy. That’s a sexist revision of history. Women were not supposed to rule well, rule independently and to do it without a man. The reason she never married wasn’t because she was secretly a bloke, it was because she couldn’t - there were no British men who were her social rank equal so she’d have to marry and be ruled by someone beneath her, and any of the available European princes would have meant England being ruled by foreign powers. She was an extraordinary person, and it belittles her to suggest she could t have done that whilst being female.

Rumpledfaceskin · 20/02/2018 07:30

You’re not at all suspicious that he died just 3 years later? Apparent suicide. Burning yourself to death is a pretty extreme way to kill yourself.

I don’t know why some people are so insistent that all conspiracies are batshit. I find it really odd that some people just chose not to think critically about anything. We know about many things that could seem like crazy conspiracy, yet they are true (watergate springs to mind as the main one). We know the lengths some people in power go to stay there. Why is it so crazy to believe that there’s more to certain historical events that is stated officially. To me that’s just logic.

Backenette · 20/02/2018 07:30

Also don’t forget that people in them days were never alone. She’d have had her ladies with her pretty much 24/7 - they dressed her, undressed her, took her to the loo (Henry VIII had a ‘groom of the stool’)

Court gossip was powerful currency - and ladies were not immune to the intruige nor did they shy from using it for their own benefit. If she was a man, the chances of it being kept secret would have been zero and there were plenty of people at court who would have used that to destroy her.

RedBullBlood · 20/02/2018 07:32

Not a lot of DNA testing going on in the early 1800's!

QueenOfTheAndals · 20/02/2018 07:40

Elizabeth I's ladies in waiting would've been with her constantly and known when her period was due etc. I'm sure they would've noticed if she never menstruated or if she was packing the full lunchbox down below!

It's also quite insulting to more or less say the only reason she was a powerful ruler was because she was a man.

italiancortado · 20/02/2018 07:45

And it wasn't tested for DNA because ......

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sashh · 20/02/2018 07:45

I don't think men walked on the moon.

They did.

Someone already mentioned the mirror but apart from that to hoax it would be too difficult.

The film of the moon walk was relayed via Australia because as the earth rotated they could not keep contact from just California. Even if you got everyone at NASA, and Kubrick's people to keep quiet would you really get Australian scientists on board? From two different observatories? It would be career suicide if it came out.

And then would you really hoax a disaster like Apollo 13?

I don't know what happened to the planes. I would like to know how people on them allegedly made mobile calls at altitudes that weren't possible in 2001 though?

Er some of them were made on 'sky phones'

But building 7 - that's dodgy, and incredibly convenient.

JFK - CIA say they didn't have a file on Lee Harvey Oswald, but that is ridiculous, they should have been interested in anyone who had lived in the USSR.

The most irritating one on here (as far as the stupid and laughable rather than offensive goes) is the Queen Elizabeth was a boy one. Wtaf? Is it so incomprehensible that a woman could run the place? How insanely offensive (yes, actually this is offensive too)! Do you really think none of the men and women who took intimate care of her, dressed her (!), examined her, hadn’t notice she had no breasts and a penis? No periods? Come on!

There are contemporary accounts of the menstrual history of both Mary and Elizabeth, reports were sent to other royal houses. There was no point trying to marry in to the Tudors if they would not conceive.

Oh and I think Iran is responsible for Lockerbie.

The Dunblane conspiracy - well I don't care, if that is how it was ended I'm OK with it.

Backenette · 20/02/2018 07:48

And it wasn't tested for DNA because...

Because Kary Mullis invented PCR in the mid 80’s. The 1980s, not the 1880s ....

LynetteScavo · 20/02/2018 07:56

I find a lot of the 9/11 stuff offensive, however I believe there is slightly more weight in the argument that United 91 Was shot down as opposed to being crashed by passengers who'd stormed the cockpit.

I'm sure it was shot down. Is that even a conspiracy theory?

gussyfinknottle · 20/02/2018 08:01

If they could dig up Richard III for DNA testing they could dig up this Tudor child. I assume there are people who care enough about the idea that Elizabeth died in childhood. Or it is more bollocks that no one is actually prepared to spend money on.

Rumpledfaceskin · 20/02/2018 08:05

Gussy I think the guy that found the child’s body reburried her somewhere else, so they conveniently don’t know where she is now.

BeyondTerfyCassandra · 20/02/2018 08:59

Even if you stretch to believe that Liz 1 died and they replaced her to not anger the king (I guess that bit could be believable if a body was genuinely found), there is blatant misogyny in the assumption that the "greatest British ruler ever" was actually a man.
Why could she not have been replaced with a girl? Why the assumption she was replaced by a boy? Her reasons for not marrying are quite clear, if that's all it is they are going on.

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beluga425 · 20/02/2018 09:06

there is blatant misogyny in the assumption that the "greatest British ruler ever" was actually a man
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I had never heard this conspiracy theory before. If she had died, surely they would have 'replaced' her with another girl.

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MrsDilber · 20/02/2018 09:06

Princess Diana would still be alive is she'd worn her seatbelt and the driver wasn't drunk.

9/11 wasn't an inside job.

I have a strange fascination with Mothman, even though I know it's bollocks. This stuff is fascinating.

Kennedy, could have been an inside job, imo.

NiteFlights · 20/02/2018 09:06

cista usually juries need a bit more evidence than a viewer of a (biased) documentary thinking another person - against whom there is literally no evidence as far as I know - looks 'dodgy'.

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beluga425 · 20/02/2018 09:08

Oh and I think Iran is responsible for Lockerbie.
I thought this was recognised to be Libya and that Colonel Gaddafi had accepted responsibility.

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ShatnersWig · 20/02/2018 09:10

The Diana thing was staged. She's not dead. She wanted to just disappear off and get out of the public eye. So the crash was staged, she and Dodi got carted off to the hospital where a plastic surgeon gave them new faces. The now live on a private island in the Caribbean. Lord Lucan is their butler and Elvis (until he died a few years back) was their personal barman. They used to go riding Shergar at the water's edge until he died.

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beluga425 · 20/02/2018 09:11

Just looked up Mothman and nearly dropped my coffee all over the keyboard. Amazing there's even a statue.

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MrsDilber · 20/02/2018 09:11

Princess Diana would still be alive is she'd worn her seatbelt and the driver wasn't drunk.

9/11 wasn't an inside job.

I have a strange fascination with Mothman, even though I know it's bollocks. This stuff is fascinating.

Kennedy, could have been an inside job, imo.

ShatnersWig · 20/02/2018 09:16

I have a theory MrsDilber can time travel and go back in time to post something she's going to post again a few minutes later.