Which conspiracy theories do you believe?

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Which theories, dismissed by many as conspiracy theories, do you regard as the truth?

The Department of Health is conspiring with pharmaceutical companies to conceal the danger of vaccines such as autism which has been growing at an alarming rate.
Well it's obviously been doing it for years given the large (relatively) number of adult women in their 40s/50s etc. who are being diagnosed! And if it was vaccines causing it surely the number of autistic people should vastly outweigh the number of non-autistic given that most people are vaccinated?

Well on that I will agree. Hereditary links at the very least would make it less likely.
TH and I were talking about which conspiracies might be likely and which not and we agreed that the ones that have a clear financial advantage to warrant the effort.

Why are so many people proud of their own ignorance?

One of the very first posts demands to know why we "never went back to the moon". Twelve fucking people have waked on the moon...a fact that would have popped up immediately if they'd troubled to do five minutes of research on this issue. Virtually every space engineer and physicist on the planet has explained the evidence for the moon landings in the greatest of detail - and yet someone who probably couldn't manage a single science GCSE knows better?

Same goes for 9/11. Absolutely every single objection has been countered and explained by leading engineers, architects & other experts...none of whom have a dog in the fight...and yet the "conspiracy theorists" feel competent enough to disbelieve every word they say, based on some crap they read online.

And shame on those people who are still casting aspersions on the parents of a possibly murdered child. There is no evidence whatsoever that they had any involvement, no matter what any batshit website full of ranting loons claims. And they did not "pay off their mortgage" with donated funds .... some were made available to help cover living costs before Gerry could go back to work. What's wrong with that? Don't you people think you should have genuine, verified evidence on your side before you accuse anyone of murdering their baby? Fucking shameful, especially on a website like this. Just for the record, you don't sound intelligent and insightful.....you sound like mouth - frothing weirdos.

Silly nonsense about Paul McCartney & Elvis is one thing...but the kind of deluded, scientifically ignorant crap that some people are proudly displaying on here is just embarrassing.

Not TH, DH

I'm sure cupcake meant this to be a fun lighthearted thread about conspiracies - many of which are great entertainment.

Let's not get into a vaccine debate.

There's plenty of threads on that subject as it is and it touches a nerve with a lot of people

Threads like these make me think trial by jury is a really bad idea.

And shame on those people who are still casting aspersions on the parents of a possibly murdered child.
Agree and find it difficult to see how cojecture on this benefits anyone.

@TabbyMack

The moon landing conspiracy isn't that no man has been to the moon, it's that the initial footage of the fort moon landing was faked.

It might be because they lost the footage, or it was damaged somehow , or maybe it was because they needed to prove that nasa got their before the Russians.

Either way I don't think anywhere on the internet does it say that no one has ever been to the moon, it doesn't mean there is no conspiracy though.

Conspiracies often come about due to some embarrassing government blunder that they need to cover up so that would make sense.
They rushed to create a set to film the footage and that's why there are so many errors

Justwanttosayplease

Pretty pretty please a clue!? A good one but one that will ensure this thread stays here

On MMR / autism, I’m in the relatively (?) rare position of having had the mmr, as well as having autism and of having both measles and mumps.

Mumps was the most horrible experience of my life. I was unable to move and hallucinating, and in pain that was truly off the scale.

Given a choice I’d take my autism over it any day (though obv not all autism’s are the same). But yes, the science is crap and inaccurate anyway.

wintermonster I did mean it to be light hearted.

I find some conspiracy theories (e.g., Sandy Hook, 9/11) utterly contemptible and some hilarious (flat earth, the non-existence of Finland), but I think the psychology behind them is fascinating. Not long ago I read an excellent book about the Salem witch trials. The writer enumerates the genuine dangers and threats the colonists faced: wild animals, harsh weather, unstable government, raids by native Americans, war and the rumours of war. One would think that these perils would be more than enough to cope with. And yet, the colonists became caught up in a collective hysteria about witchcraft, accusing their neighbours, friends, and relatives of being witches, including children as young as five (and some dogs as well).

Why did it happen? For many reasons, of course, but I think one reason was that the real dangers were so enormous, so terrifying, and the colonists were essentially powerless before them. So they sought out an enemy they could fight against, a menace they could assert some control over. Certain people became scapegoats: nineteen were executed and hundreds accused. The spiritual threat could be contained in a way that the actual, physical dangers could not.

I think quite a few people buy into contemporary conspiracy theories for similar reasons. It may be comforting to believe that a sinister group of individuals is in control behind the scenes, plotting and planning the operation of horrific events, rather than to accept that the world is a complicated, messy place without a centralized locus of control. Conspiracy theories allow them to order the world in a way that gives the illusion of control. Madmen enter schools and murder children, and it may be easier to believe that there is some reason such tragedies occur (or to deny that they even occur), rather than to admit that we live in a world where terrible things happen for no reason at all.

Added to that, conspiracy theorists tend to feel a sense of empowerment and superiority, because they are convinced they know The Truth, and they can scoff at the “naïve” individuals who are too blind to see what’s really happening. The idea that some cabal of grey-suited men are in control is just a short step from seeing a coven of cackling witches as the source of all misfortune.

Damn you all!!!! 😩

Autism is proven to be heredity. Monozygotic twins are either both autistic, or neither. Regardless of immunisation status.
I questioned the issue before I actually studied the origin.

There is, however, a belief that vaccination can accelerate symptoms in some cases. This has been neither proven, nor disproven.

Hereditary. Sorry.

Either way I don't think anywhere on the internet does it say that no one has ever been to the moon, it doesn't mean there is no conspiracy though

Eh, there's plenty of people on this thread alone who don't believe man has been to the moon, starting with the very first response.

Has anyone watched "Making a Murderer" on Netflix about the Steven Avery case? Fascinating and horrifying in equal measure.

Dot
Could you not argue that the idea of witches was the truth as presented and that the conspiracy was that these invented threats covered up failings in leadership.
It was the truth as it was presented (evil witches) that people chose to believe.

not sure why 9/11 is a 'contemptible' conspiracy theory. it seems more and more evident as the years pass that this was an inside job.
It was Mohammed Atta's passport fluttering handily unscathed to the ground that did it for me...not to mention WTC7

Well, of course they believed witchcraft was true. But the source of the dangers in the Massachusetts Bay Colony had nothing to do with witches. The colonists were deluded.

The funnnist one I’ve heard is that Blue Ivy (as in Beyoncé’s daughter) is head of the illuminati. My brother reckons there’s a 3 part in depth documentary that someone’s made on YouTube about it.

For anyone who would like to read it, the book about the Salem witch trials I mentioned above is The Witches by Stacy Schiff.

And an excellent book about 9/11 is Lawrence Wright's The Looming Tower. Ignorance can be fought!

Pretty pretty please a clue!? A good one but one that will ensure this thread stays here

I'm not that poster, but I have read things online about a certain legendary and very beloved director. Think the very last person you would expect to be involved in that kind of stuff. Very shocking if true. Maybe that's who is being referenced in that post?

Yes Vote I watched it when it first came out. I was hooked and watched it in a very short space of time. By the end I had no idea if he did it or not.