Which conspiracy theories do you believe?

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Which theories, dismissed by many as conspiracy theories, do you regard as the truth?

I meant to say, “Thanks”, isthismummuy.

*Regarding the Moon landings, I don't think they could have been faked and the secret kept for 50 years.

The Apollo program is recorded as having employed 400,000 people across 20,000 companies. So you've got three main conspiracy scenarios:

Only a few top people knew there wouldn't be a landing? Well the people who designed the rocket are, well, rocket scientists. If the government asks them to build a Moon rocket they'll build a Moon rocket. Then the USA has a working rocket so why on Earth would they hoax the landing?

A lot of people knew there wouldn't be a landing? If you think a Moon landing is impossible, then you'd have to think that anybody working in the program who realised that would be bribed or threatened into keeping quiet. That's gonna be an awful lot of people. You think none of them would have gone public with their stories? Or gone to the Soviets? And yet to my knowledge, nobody advocating the Moon hoax hypothesis has been confirmed to have worked on Apollo.

Those jobs and people never existed? Well for one there's the money issue, so then you probably need banks and the IRS in on the conspiracy. For two reporters and historians have spoken to many people who worked on Apollo; to uphold the conspiracy that means getting more people in on it.

Then you've got other issues. The Apollo spacecraft sent radio transmissions back to Earth and pretty much anybody could have listened in on them and worked out where the spacecraft was. A spare Saturn V rocket launched Skylab which was easily observed from the ground and later re-entered Earth's atmosphere and pieces landed in Australia. The Apollo landing sites have been photographed by later probes orbiting the Moon.

The whole idea of faking a Moon landing and keeping it secret just falls apart I feel. Nixon was President when the landings happened and he couldn't even keep a burglary a secret.*

Oh but safariboot, some people on the internet have got a feeling that it didn't happen. I think THAT is as much evidence as you need to know that it didn't.

I believe 9/11 was an inside job. I have a friend in the us military and he said the morning of 9/11 the base was locked down and no one was told why, like they knew something was about to happen

You seriously believe that someone authorised an event that resulted in the death of 3000 innocent people, as well as there being enough people - engineers etc. - prepared to follow orders to organise and carry out such a large scale atrocity? And surely if people in the military knew something was going to happen, someone with the tiniest bit of moral conscience would’ve raised the alarm.

Madness.

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So, you think the "powers that be" in the US knew in advance it would all happen but didn't even think to at least evacuate the towers?

How about the attack on the Pentagon? "Oh well, nothing we can do about it"?

Jeez.

Foreign attacks on US soil were actually really rare pre-9/11. Their intelligence failed them, it's as simple as that. There's literally no evidence whatsoever that US knew in advance the attacks would happen...none. I tend to think people need to present some before they start accusing governments of allowing 3,000 people to be murdered.

Cupofcake Who knew MN was so full of conspiracy theorist loons?

Jesus fucking christ, the ignorance on here is mind blowing. I genuinely only thought a little cabal of american nutters and the odd few psychos elsewhere thought the moon landings were faked. Yet here are loads of you. This is why we have actual idiots like Trump in charge of superpowers, people not engaging their brains. The space race was hugely exciting, there were millions of people all across the entire world involved not only in the construction and launch but also in tracking, observing via telescope and monitoring radio communications etc. But no, you think ALL of those brilliant scientists and experts, and all the amatuer astronomers and radio operators monitoring it, ALL of them were taken in by a bit of staged fakery, and they all have been ever since, in every single country, even those who have no reason to back up this apparent conspiracy? Even Russia who were directly competing were taken in? Plus every single university course on astronomy/astrophysics/space science then and since, plus every single international space agency that has used the data derived from those early landings. You think every single geologist who has had their hands on pieces of moon rock has been taken in too. You think Stephen fucking Hawkin was also taken in?

Actually just insane.

Cupofcake um, I’m now in the midst of my own conspiracy theory, what was your destination airport can I ask? Did I give you a lift to the airport this am?

7/7 - The first reports mentioning Old Street and Moorgate only for it later be revealed the Northern Line was the original fourth target has always made me fear they is an element of truth in conspiracy theories.

I get where you’re coming from but this is totally explainable. I was in Moorgate that day (reached above ground as that bomb went off) and they couldn’t tell where the explosion was initially. It could have easily been either circle or northern line as the lines and stations are so close together on that part of the network. It took several minutes for it to become apparent it was at Liverpool Street on the circle. Everybody on the ground believed it was power surges for a lengthy time too. There was a huge amount of confusion. Also totally plausible for the bomber to change their mind on the route at the last minute. I had done exactly that myself that morning due to works being carried out and how busy it was down there at that particular time

I believe that conspiracy theories are encouraged by Governments to stop people looking at what is really going on.

Although I don't believe the man in a locked bag had committed suicide. And Fatima - only 1 girl claimed to have heard Mary speak to her. The other children said they heard a buzzing like the sound of a bee. The girl made it up for some reason - attention seeking? But when it was taken seriously, found herself in a situation that she could not back out of.

Disneyworld cover up crimes happening on their site, especially anything involving paedophilia/child abuse. They did not put up warning signs about alligators as they thought it would detract from the world they were trying to create. They knew there were alligators there.

It is possible that the security services in the US had heard some intelligence about 9/11, but did not think it was credible. Many more things are due to incompetence and cock ups, than conspiracy theories.

But no, you think ALL of those brilliant scientists and experts, and all the amatuer astronomers and radio operators monitoring it, ALL of them were taken in by a bit of staged fakery, and they all have been ever since, in every single country, even those who have no reason to back up this apparent conspiracy?

Yeah but...the people on this thread have a "feeling", see. And that's FAR more important than science/evidence/rationale.

Joey why is it such a stretch to believe it wouldn't be authorised though? The Iraq war was authorised on a total lie and countless numbers died and are still dying.

Or do they not count because they are brown? The American government doesn't care about its people, anymore than the UK Government cares about us. If you don't believe disasters are orchestrated by governments to promote their own agenda then I suggest you read The Shock Doctrine by Niaomi Klein.

It's possible that the security services in the US heard some intelligence about 9/11 but did not think it was credible

Your evidence for this?

No way did David Kelly kill himself.

I’m not convinced David Kelly was murdered. By all accounts he was a sensitive and (obviously) highly intelligent person, and he looked appalled by the situation he found himself in.
I think Marilyn Monroe accidentally overdosed over a period of several hours. But the actions of people, especially her housekeeper immediately afterwards, strongly suggests there was a cover-up of some kind, quite possibly because RFK was present and needed time to get away.
I love a good conspiracy theory as much as anyone else but I always think the sheer number of people who would have to keep quiet about ‘the truth’ makes most of them very unlikely.

Regarding Jill DMdo, I remember watching a tv. Programme that alleged she was bunked off by a Serbian hitman. It was to do,with the Kosovo conflict, which I think she had a programme on. Maybe she was going to reveal,something she shouldn't have,

911 - I definently think it happened, however,,like others have said, the FBI probably had intelligence on it, but didn't act (possibly because they didn't think anyone would have the audacity to,fly planes into buildings), or have covered up things since.

I think Diana died in a car accident. Whether there was any cover up since, I don't know.

Not sure who killed JFK.

David Kelly and the man in the suitcase were definantly bumped,off.

Saw an interesting programme on Batican conspiracy recently which sipuggested they bunked off John Paul 1 (due to,his thoughts on abortion) and possibly bunked off a banker on the river Thames. Think there was a third Vatican conspiracy as well, but can't remeber it. Actually, yes I can, mafia money laundering.

The conspiracy series also suggested Hitler escaped, and body doubles were used.

Diana was bumped off because she was having a lesbian relationship with Geri from the Spice Girls

My thoughts on 9/11 are that it was real, but knowing an even greater tragedy would occur if the towers fell into other buildings they were quikly set up to be demolished. The fact they fell into their own footprints saved a lot of lives. Happy to be proven wrong though.

There is a conspiracy theory that Harold Wilson was a Soviet spy and there was very nearly a coup to remove him.

I have some insider knowledge on this, and would suggest that it is possible Wilson wasn't a willing "spy" at all but found himself caught in a honey trap and was then blackmailed by the Soviets as they had photographic evidence.

If Wilson was in this position, it goes some way to explaining a lot of the oddities of later life.

@Joey7t8 I know, it just seems mad that America would even think of such a thing yeah?

"Operation Northwoods was a proposed false flag operation against the Cuban government that originated within the U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) and the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) of the United States government in 1962. The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) or other U.S. government operatives to commit acts of terrorism against American civilians and military targets, blaming it on the Cuban government, and using it to justify a war against Cuba. The plans detailed in the document included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.[2] The proposals were rejected by the Kennedy administration.[3]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

(which leads us to why JFK was assassinated .... bwahahahahaaaa!)

crunchymint
What do you mean about Disney covering up crimes?
I thought it was widely known about alligators being there, it's built on a swamp!

Tabby I have no evidence and I am not saying this happened. I am saying that 9/11 conspiracy theories are a load of rubbish and this is the only thing I could imagine that might have happened that would not be made public.

Never is the Dunning-Kruger effect more evident than when listening to people talk about conspiracy theories.

My thoughts on 9/11 are that it was real, but knowing an even greater tragedy would occur if the towers fell into other buildings they were quikly set up to be demolished. The fact they fell into their own footprints saved a lot of lives. Happy to be proven wrong though.

How did that work then? After the planes hit the NY firefighters ran in and set explosives? Have you any evidence for this at all?

There is actually lots of evidence of Disney covering up crimes. So paying off parents and sacking staff. Anything to avoid bad publicity.