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Trump Talk: or, Lift every voice and sing

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lionheart · 17/02/2018 19:58

It's Black History Month and the fight goes on (plus, we all need a boost that does not come from ye olde hop flask).

Lift every voice and sing

Till earth and heaven ring,
Ring with the harmonies of Liberty;
Let our rejoicing rise
High as the listening skies,
Let it resound loud as the rolling sea.
Sing a song full of the faith that the dark past has taught us,
Sing a song full of the hope that the present has brought us.

Facing the rising sun of our new day begun,
Let us march on till victory is won.

Stony the road we trod,
Bitter the chastening rod,
Felt in the days when hope unborn had died;

Yet with a steady beat,
Have not our weary feet
Come to the place for which our fathers sighed?
We have come over a way that with tears has been watered,
We have come, treading our path through the blood of the slaughtered,
Out from the gloomy past,

Till now we stand at last
Where the white gleam of our bright star is cast.

God of our weary years,

God of our silent tears,
Thou who hast brought us thus far on the way;
Thou who hast by Thy might

Led us into the light,
Keep us forever in the path, we pray.
Lest our feet stray from the places, our God, where we met Thee,
Lest, our hearts drunk with the wine of the world, we forget Thee;
Shadowed beneath Thy hand,

May we forever stand.

True to our God,
True to our native land.

James Weldon Johnson (1900)

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boatyardblues · 19/02/2018 08:29

Urgh.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 19/02/2018 08:35

I've already been noticing attacks on the students on twitter. It's vile. Some of the students tweeting are sophomores - that's equivalent to Year 11

Lweji · 19/02/2018 08:51

I imagine they'll also be accused of being manipulated by liberals. Angry

blueskyinmarch · 19/02/2018 09:07

I think people don't understand that to grieve 'properly' you don't need to retreat quietly and sob in a dark room. Yes these students are outspoken and all over SM. This is their world. Yes sometimes they are pictured happy and smiling. That means nothing. I never laughed so much as i did the day i buried my DD, the same day my best friend buried hers. We laughed together remembering both girls as they were - funny little 5 year old. These students will be laughing and smiling as they go about campaigning but insides their hearts will be breaking over and over again. It may be years before they properly understand what happened and start to make sense of it. Took me years.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/02/2018 09:11

That’s exactly what’s happening lweji. People are questioning how they have been so effective at mobilising and are saying they’re unwitting puppets of the liberals who are trying to capitalise on this to oppose second amendment rights

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/02/2018 09:29

Bluesky I hope the people around you understood that and were not judgemental or unhelpful.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/02/2018 09:38
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Trump Talk: or, Lift every voice and sing
Trump Talk: or, Lift every voice and sing
Lweji · 19/02/2018 09:54

In expect personal attacks and threats will follow soon. Sad

Lweji · 19/02/2018 09:58

@PainInTheEar

That is truly shocking.

I'm glad my young teenager has never had to even think about a shooting as a possibility in his schools. Here or the UK.

Lweji · 19/02/2018 11:15

A report about this has just shown up in our national news:

www.yahoo.com/news/nikolas-cruz-apos-foster-parents-182953242.html

Basically, Cruz's foster parents not only knew about his guns, but locked them in their safe. He got a spare key they didn't know about. Or so they say.

Regardless, it's still astounding the indifference towards a teenager (even if legally an adult) owning guns.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/02/2018 11:59

It makes for depressing reading to look at the comments below tweets calling for gun regulation. Comparison to cars, blaming of mental health, etc etc etc are being churned out (I assume a lot of them are bots but who knows). It is a bizarre attitude that I just don’t understand.

This written by a teacher a couple of years ago is pretty poignant

When did it become a teacher’s job to stop a bullet for your child?

www.pbs.org/newshour/education/when-did-teachers-become-people-who-have-to-stop-a-bullet-for-your-child

lettuceWrap · 19/02/2018 12:23

Bluesky Flowers

Not only Bluesky’s post, but also Pain’s link about the little American boy volunteering to stand in front of his classmates, bringing tears to my eyes this morning.

So predictable and awful that some people are targeting the Florida shooting survivors and their classmates for speaking out. I wonder if we are at some kind of inflection point tho. These teens are the first generation to have grown up with constant social media/citizen journalists/instant global connectivity always there because of smartphones and cheap data... I think they are going to use SM etc to bring real changes.

I don’t really know what I’m saying here, it’s just half an idea but I do wonder if a lot of the current problems (bots, fake news, political interference etc), is because smartphones have massively changed the way people interact and the flow of information, but because we are “old” and the technology is “new” we didn’t expect or see or understand how the ground was shifting under our feet (with respect to who is controlling and distributing information). Perhaps todays young adults will be able to handle it better than us oldies (I hope so!).

Does that make any sense? Maybe not ConfusedSmile

PerkingFaintly · 19/02/2018 13:06

Makes a lot of sense, lettuceWrap, and I really hope you're right about younger folk being better at handling the new landscape.

Was thinking something similar yesterday –although rather less optimistically, more "FFS I'm Old and can't keep up with this shit"! So that's actually a cheering reminder that it all looks different through the eyes of the younger generation.

And I'm going to have to work up a new elderly-aunty-superpower, 'cos just knowing stuff clearly ain't gonna impress for much longer.Grin

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/02/2018 13:15

I think it makes sense lettuce. In other countries children are actively taught about bots, critical thinking the: what you find on the internet but I hope that even without formal teaching, they understand the nature of the internet better than we might have.

Natasha Bertrand
@NatashaBertrand
“It’s kind of cruel what’s going on right now and the president should put these defendants out of their misery,” said Larry Klayman, a conservative legal activist. “I think he should pardon everybody — and pardon himself.”

Conservatives urge Trump to grant pardons in Russia probe

As special counsel Robert Mueller builds his case, relatives of former national security adviser Michael Flynn are among those pressing the president to use his unique legal power and 'put these defendants out of their misery.'
www.politico.com/amp/story/2018/02/19/trump-russia-pardons-mueller-flynn-417094?__twitter_impression=true

TheNorthWestPawsage · 19/02/2018 13:31

It gets worse.

Missouri Third-Graders Selling AR-15 Raffle Tickets For Their Baseball Team
The fundraiser is going ahead despite mounting controversy.

Children in a Missouri town are selling raffle tickets offering an AR-15 assault-style rifle as the prize to raise money for their baseball team. The rifle is the same type of weapon used last week in the Florida school shooting that killed 17 people.

The raffle was launched before the shooting, but Levi Patterson, the coach of the team in Neosho for boys 9 and younger, told The Kansas City Star he plans to continue with the fundraiser.

Patterson said he decided to “turn it into a positive thing” after “getting the hate” in the form of angry Facebook posts after the raffle was first reported.

The weapon was donated as a prize by a team father and co-founder of Neosho gun manufacturer Black Rain Ordnance Inc., which is currently pitching a Spec15 AR pistol on its Facebook page.

Rest of article is here if you have the stomach for it.
www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/neosho-baseball-team-features-ar-15-raffle_us_5a8a02f2e4b00bc49f455f30

boatyardblues · 19/02/2018 13:42

That Missouri raffle Shock Un-fucking-believable!

TheNorthWestPawsage · 19/02/2018 14:26

A good "pep talk" Twitter thread for us all in response to this opinion piece posted by Blake Hounshell on Politico website.
www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/02/18/confessions-of-a-russiagate-skeptic-217024

Okay, @blakehounshell, I accept your challenge. Why is there reason to believe Trump colluded, as opposed to driving his clown car into the White House? A few things to consider, below.

First, remember that collusion with Russia doesn't mean Trump actually wanted to be president. The collusion would have been to, say, accept Russian money and backing during the campaign in order to become enough of a viable candidate to bring more business to the Trump hotels.

Continues here:
twitter.com/moorehn/status/965454703172702208

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/02/2018 14:26

A panacea of sorts

Kyle Griffin
@kylegriffin1
Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School student David Hogg to politicians who receive NRA donations: “If you can’t get elected without taking money from child murderers, why are you running?” (via CNN)

mobile.twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/965576877351100416/video/1

And

Shannon Watts
@shannonrwatts
Normal turnout at our Maine @MomsDemand meetings: 20 people

Today: 250

#ThrowThemOut #MarchForOurLives

Trump Talk: or, Lift every voice and sing
Lweji · 19/02/2018 15:30

Perhaps todays young adults will be able to handle it better than us oldies (I hope so!).

I think they are. My son seems very blasé about "haters" on the net. As in "it's their problem and they have issues" rather than to feel personally attacked.

cozietoesie · 19/02/2018 15:45

Is he aware of 'influences', though?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/02/2018 15:53

merrymouse you asked the question awhile ago about whether the FBI could do something if they'd known the Florida shooter was a threat. This is what I've seen that comes closest to answering that

twitter.com/twitter/statuses/965482951176749056

Lweji · 19/02/2018 15:55

Not very much, yet. He's only 13, although I may have mentioned Russian bots in passing a few several times.

But in conversations with colleagues they seem even more naive about such issues.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/02/2018 15:58

Speaking of bots

White nationalists and Twitter bots fueled the war against Al Franken — and the Democrats fell for it

Fake twitter accounts and a fake news site created the day before #alFranken’s first accuser went live.

www.rawstory.com/2018/02/white-nationalists-twitter-bots-fueled-war-al-franken-democrats-fell/

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/02/2018 16:01

And this too merry

CBS News
@CBSNews
Only five states have laws enabling courts to temporarily strip gun rights from people who show warning signs of violence cbsn.ws/2Cvt4H7