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Trump Talk: or, Lift every voice and sing

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lionheart · 17/02/2018 19:58

It's Black History Month and the fight goes on (plus, we all need a boost that does not come from ye olde hop flask).

Lift every voice and sing

Till earth and heaven ring,
Ring with the harmonies of Liberty;
Let our rejoicing rise
High as the listening skies,
Let it resound loud as the rolling sea.
Sing a song full of the faith that the dark past has taught us,
Sing a song full of the hope that the present has brought us.

Facing the rising sun of our new day begun,
Let us march on till victory is won.

Stony the road we trod,
Bitter the chastening rod,
Felt in the days when hope unborn had died;

Yet with a steady beat,
Have not our weary feet
Come to the place for which our fathers sighed?
We have come over a way that with tears has been watered,
We have come, treading our path through the blood of the slaughtered,
Out from the gloomy past,

Till now we stand at last
Where the white gleam of our bright star is cast.

God of our weary years,

God of our silent tears,
Thou who hast brought us thus far on the way;
Thou who hast by Thy might

Led us into the light,
Keep us forever in the path, we pray.
Lest our feet stray from the places, our God, where we met Thee,
Lest, our hearts drunk with the wine of the world, we forget Thee;
Shadowed beneath Thy hand,

May we forever stand.

True to our God,
True to our native land.

James Weldon Johnson (1900)

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/02/2018 16:11

It feels strange agreeing with Chris Christie [I haven't clicked on the video because I loathe the fact he's a political commentator with a permanent role and don't want to contribute to the clicks so he might have said things that undermine the premise below in which case the world will have righted and I can go back to disagreeing with him]

This Week
@ThisWeekABC
On the Russian interference operation, @GovChristie says it “was obviously meant to disparage and damage Hillary Clinton… I think everyone’s going to have to come around to the idea that that’s at least part of what the Russians were attempting to do in the election.” #ThisWeek

Lweji · 19/02/2018 16:13

Not sure if this was posted last week.

Interesting, although totally biased (but at this point, we're beyond that), conversation between Chris Cuomo and a former GOP Representative Florida.
At the end he points out that he got enough votes for a bipartisan compromise deal on gun control and Democrats shut it down due to party politics as, according to him, they were opposing him in the polls soon after. And, apparently, Susan Collins.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/02/2018 16:23

Brian J. Karem
@BrianKarem
Per pool reports: POTUS unseen since Friday. At his golf club now-but no golf since FLA shooting. WH staff driving press vans after driver found with personal sidearm. All drivers replaced.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/02/2018 16:46

Talking Points Memo
@TPM
.@ChrisMurphyCT says Trump's apparent endorsement of his background check bill is “another sign the politics of gun violence are shifting rapidly" after the #ParklandMassacre

talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/white-house-trump-supports-gun-background-check

Lweji · 19/02/2018 16:47

So, no personal firearms near the President, but OK everywhere else?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/02/2018 16:56

Kurt Eichenwald‏Verified account
@kurteichenwald

  1. *@FoxNews* viewers are tweeting rage-filled insults (attached to a Fox tweet) at the kids who survived the Florida slaughter for saying change is needed.

This shows how easily propaganda subsumes humanity. Kids who saw their dead friends, in Fox world, are supposed to shut up..

2...and not say anything critical about the adults who have allowed this nightmare to grow and grow and grow, hearing actual adults saying the answer is the wear bullet proof vests to school.

And the same Fox viewers rage that they say mean things about the President....

3...which goes to show why these kinds of people are unreachable through reason or discussion. The same ones who called Obama the anti-Christ, etc etc now find it outrageous that anyone would say anything critical of the President.

A segment of this country is so consumed...

4...by rage that it has destroyed their humanity and their reason. @FoxNews feeds it, day after day, just to make money. The people on Fox KNOW they are lying (except @seanhannity) There was a time when @TuckerCarlson was a brilliant magazine writer whose articles, while....

5...written from the conservative position, were informative and well argued. I learned things from them, didn't agree with all of it, but was persuaded by certain things. Now, he has chosen to wreck America for money. @FoxNews commentators are modern day Tokyo Roses who....

6...have bred hate, confusion, misery, rage. Fox has caused more damage to America - NOT by presenting the conservative view, but by purposely presenting delusions, lies, and fantasies to feed rage, which science shows creates an almost addictive result for consumers, and as a...

7...result, have destroyed the humanity and reason of its viewers, leading them to actually think attacking teenagers whose friends have been murdered for trying to stop other killings is somehow acceptable.

....if you want to read what the @FoxNews viewers are saying in attacking the teenagers who survived, here is a story about it:

www.rawstory.com/2018/02/much-paid-fox-news-fans-trash-teen-parkland-survivors-demand-stronger-gun-laws/

Lweji · 19/02/2018 17:06

I don't think I can bear to read those comments.

Just waiting for a group to start saying it never happened. Or maybe liberals brainwashed the shooter.

Lweji · 19/02/2018 18:00

The resistance is strong in Florida.

A plane flies over Miami Beach with a banner saying "Shame on you Marco Rubio and NRA." The senator and the gun rights organization have been criticized in the wake of the mass shooting at a Florida high school. t.co/Kf0tPbj0ZG

Still no mention of Trump, buy good start.

Trump prefers to concentrate on Oprah. Confused

lionheart · 19/02/2018 18:18

Shameless seems to be the default now.

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Sleipnirthewonderhorse · 19/02/2018 19:29

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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Have a great, but very reflective, President’s Day!

Something for the grammar fiends of mumsnet there. How many presidents are being celebrated?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/02/2018 19:32

Related to the horrifying mar a lago story (in a private business and government policy cross over way)

Trump Jr. to give foreign policy speech while on ‘unofficial’ business trip to India

<a class="break-all" href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/trump-jr-to-give-foreign-policy-speech-while-on-unofficial-business-trip-to-india/2018/02/19/37d00c37-d9e8-40c4-934b-0a26b8160dcd_story.html#click=t.co/RKNeuxMiP6" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/trump-jr-to-give-foreign-policy-speech-while-on-unofficial-business-trip-to-india/2018/02/19/37d00c37-d9e8-40c4-934b-0a26b8160dcd_story.html#click=t.co/RKNeuxMiP6

lionheart · 19/02/2018 19:37

There is only the one. The Bigly One.

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cozietoesie · 19/02/2018 20:03

After 45's remarks about Modi, they're having to try harder than they otherwise might. India has a long memory.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/02/2018 20:10

CBS News
CBS News
@CBSNews
Authorities have reported a number of "copycat" threats against schools across the country in the wake of last week's deadly shooting at a Parkland, Florida, high school last Wednesday, prompting several arrests around the country (link: cbsn.ws/2CvTSa1 )

lionheart · 19/02/2018 20:12

lawfareblog.com/downsides-muellers-russia-indictment

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/02/2018 20:40

Unnamed White House official: "A lot of people here felt like [the Parkland shooting] was a reprieve from seven or eight days of just getting pummeled. But as we all know, sadly, when the coverage dies down a little bit, we’ll be back through the chaos."

For the weary White House, Florida shooting offered a ‘reprieve’ from scandals

www.washingtonpost.com/politics/for-the-weary-white-house-florida-shooting-offered-a-reprieve-from-scandals/2018/02/19/04293442-158a-11e8-92c9-376b4fe57ff7_story.html?utm_term=.b83ad7f6a3d3

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/02/2018 20:42

Joy Reid &joyannreid
Florida's Republican-controlled legislature is "considering" CONSIDERING raising the legal age to purchase an assault rifle to 21. We live in an age of unreason. An 18-year-old has more trouble buying Sudafed in this country than a weapon fit for war

<a class="break-all" href="http://amp.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article200909094.html#click=t.co/Exghp4gYCE" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">amp.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article200909094.html#click=t.co/Exghp4gYCE

[i think the fact they’re considering it is progress, though I share joy’s loathing that it wouldn’t be an undisputed given. It’s more than thoughts any prayers, any how]

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/02/2018 20:49

Alexandra Erin
@alexandraerin
I'm still not counting on it, but for the first time I'm starting to think it might be slightly more likely that Trump is out of office before 2020 than not.

This is not based on the likelihood of any particular outcome, but the growing likelihood that a personality like Trump's will force a resolution before any outcome is concluded.

His tendency to push away and undermine anyone who is terribly capable in ways he's not (because he sees them as undermining himself) has been manifesting itself towards people like Kelly and McMaster, who have been keeping his regime afloat.

Contrary to what some people are suggesting, there's no reason to think Mueller's going to haul Trump in "next" or "soon". He's moving quickly by some measurements, but quickly to cover a lot of ground. He needs an ironclad, broad-based case, from multiple angles.

But Trump's instincts work against him in a case where the few public details are making for a slow build, a slow burn. It amounts to him letting rip with both barrels while his target is still miles away.

Meanwhile, I'm seeing signs that we as a society are finding our footing in this aggressively overhyped news cycle. We're still talking about Rob Porter; new news was breaking about him over the weekend. We're still talking about the Parkland murders and the survivors.

Still plan for having to vote him out in 2020. Still expect that to be a fight, with voter suppression, turnout depression, misinformation, organized campaigns to make whoever the Democrat candidate is The Weakest Candidate Ever so you can safely blame someone else if you give in

The biggest single thing you can do to both set the stage for 2020 and maybe make it not worth it to Trump to stick around that long is to vote in 2018. Run the GOP out of Washington. Total rout. Vote them out.

Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of civic participation.

We've got a lot of gradations of winning. Changing the balance in the Senate by 2 seats completely changes the balance of power in Washington DC. Whole landscape flips.

I think we can do so much better than that, but if they do their worst and that's the most we can manage?

If all we manage is changing two Senate seats, we take away their rubber stamp. They can't confirm judges, they can't pass laws, they can't do anything.

And if we approach November like it's do or die, like we have to chance to flip those two seats give it our all to get there... if everyone who can vote, does vote... that's how we get the blue wave

Don't assume that any seat will be won.

Assume that every seat can be won.

That's how we win.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/02/2018 20:50

But

Kyle Griffin
@kylegriffin1
The Center for American Progress has put out an election security report card on the states, and the results are not encouraging.

No state received an A
11 states received a B
23 states received a C
12 states received a D
5 states received an F

www.americanprogress.org/issues/democracy/reports/2018/02/12/446336/election-security-50-states/

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/02/2018 20:53

But!

Pennsylvania Supreme Court Issues New Congressional Map For 2018 Elections

The map is the result of a decision that the existing map violated the state's constitution.

www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner/pennsylvania-supreme-court-issues-new-congressional-map-for?utm_term=.vmN2ZGKlV#.qtDmwkQbo

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/02/2018 21:07

CNN International
@cnni
Exclusive: Special counsel Robert Mueller’s interest in Jared Kushner has grown to include his efforts to secure financing for his company from foreign investors during the presidential transition (link: cnn.it/2obcbNd)

lionheart · 19/02/2018 21:09

Kushner.

edition.cnn.com/2018/02/19/politics/mueller-investigation-kushner-foreign-financing-efforts/index.html?sr=twCNN021918mueller-investigation-kushner-foreign-financing-efforts0402PMVODtop

'Special counsel Robert Mueller's interest in Jared Kushner has expanded beyond his contacts with Russia and now includes his efforts to secure financing for his company from foreign investors during the presidential transition, according to people familiar with the inquiry.

This is the first indication that Mueller is exploring Kushner's discussions with potential non-Russian foreign investors, including in China.'

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