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Trump Talk: or, Lift every voice and sing

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lionheart · 17/02/2018 19:58

It's Black History Month and the fight goes on (plus, we all need a boost that does not come from ye olde hop flask).

Lift every voice and sing

Till earth and heaven ring,
Ring with the harmonies of Liberty;
Let our rejoicing rise
High as the listening skies,
Let it resound loud as the rolling sea.
Sing a song full of the faith that the dark past has taught us,
Sing a song full of the hope that the present has brought us.

Facing the rising sun of our new day begun,
Let us march on till victory is won.

Stony the road we trod,
Bitter the chastening rod,
Felt in the days when hope unborn had died;

Yet with a steady beat,
Have not our weary feet
Come to the place for which our fathers sighed?
We have come over a way that with tears has been watered,
We have come, treading our path through the blood of the slaughtered,
Out from the gloomy past,

Till now we stand at last
Where the white gleam of our bright star is cast.

God of our weary years,

God of our silent tears,
Thou who hast brought us thus far on the way;
Thou who hast by Thy might

Led us into the light,
Keep us forever in the path, we pray.
Lest our feet stray from the places, our God, where we met Thee,
Lest, our hearts drunk with the wine of the world, we forget Thee;
Shadowed beneath Thy hand,

May we forever stand.

True to our God,
True to our native land.

James Weldon Johnson (1900)

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TheClaws · 18/02/2018 08:03

This will come back to bite him. General McMaster said that the Russian interference in the election was “incontrovertible” www.nytimes.com/2018/02/17/world/europe/russia-meddling-mcmaster.html Seems Trump backs nobody and stands for no one.

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 1hr
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General McMaster forgot to say that the results of the 2016 election were not impacted or changed by the Russians and that the only Collusion was between Russia and Crooked H, the DNC and the Dems. Remember the Dirty Dossier, Uranium, Speeches, Emails and the Podesta Company!

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/02/2018 08:13

Re:the first trump tweet theclaws posted

Renato Mariotti
@renato_mariotti
Mueller will be interested in this tweet, because Trump explicitly states that he doesn’t want the FBI investigating collusion with Russia. This could be used as evidence of his intent when he fired Comey.

BiglyBadgers · 18/02/2018 08:19

Looking at the gun owning stats, Canada and Switzerland are up there with the US but don’t have the same problems with mass shootings. Does anyone have any thoughts on why this seems to be a particularly American problem?

Sweden had quite stringent controls on who can own a gun and what guns they can own. They must have a licence, which is obtained through the police and have to be a member of a gun club for 6 months. For rifles they have to pass an exam. www.sweden.org.za/gun-laws-in-sweden.html
Canada also requires training and checks before you can obtain a licence for firearms.

I also think there is something about the culture and narrative around gun ownership in America that is particularly toxic. Michael Moore's documentary Bowling for Columbine looked at this and even many years later everything he said in it is still valid. There is a view of guns as a toy, a right and something that it primarily used for killing people. In Canada and Sweden guns are seen as something very dangerous and used primarily as a tool for killing animals. This may seem like semantics but the ideas you have around guns and what they are for are what drive people to use them in a certain way.

It is this culture around guns that makes me believe that while America will have to have the strictest of gun laws before they change things. They must make it incredibly hard to get a gun until that culture changes.

lionheart · 18/02/2018 09:04

I hope it was worth it boatyard. Smile

This is really interesting, if it operates in tandem with gun control.

www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/10/mass-shootings-threat-assessment-shooter-fbi-columbine/

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lionheart · 18/02/2018 09:05

Wow. And FFS.

Donald J. Trump

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@realDonaldTrump
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Very sad that the FBI missed all of the many signals sent out by the Florida school shooter. This is not acceptable. They are spending too much time trying to prove Russian collusion with the Trump campaign - there is no collusion. Get back to the basics and make us all proud!

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lionheart · 18/02/2018 09:06

And ha ha.

Donald J. Trump

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@realDonaldTrump
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General McMaster forgot to say that the results of the 2016 election were not impacted or changed by the Russians and that the only Collusion was between Russia and Crooked H, the DNC and the Dems. Remember the Dirty Dossier, Uranium, Speeches, Emails and the Podesta Company!

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/02/2018 09:12

I was out last night at a cocktail place/restaurant and was given a free hip flask by the waitress! Was a bit of a weird coincidence and Im keeping it all to myself and not sharing with dp

lionheart · 18/02/2018 09:18

I wonder if Trump and the General actually had a conversation. Must have been quite something if they did.

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lionheart · 18/02/2018 09:21

Tom Wright

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Senator Risch just said if Trump uses force in N Korea, it will be massive and swift, not a bloody nose. Casualties and destruction of conflict would be "biblical". Trump has means "at his fingertips". With that bombshell dropped, he leaves for the airport & takes no Qs

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/02/2018 09:24

Russian Troll Factory Alum Selling Social Media Mobs for $299 a Month

An email address buried in the latest indictment from Robert Mueller reveals a new service for gaming social networks. A Daily Beast exclusive.

www.thedailybeast.com/russian-troll-factory-alum-selling-social-media-mobs-for-dollar299-a-month

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/02/2018 09:27

And to see trolls in action (this time a psy-op involving someone pretending to be a Parkland survivor. The depravity is shocking but the thread is a useful read

Caroline O.
@RVAwonk
I'm going to refrain from saying more at the moment, but a lot of people — including many who follow me and are probably reading this tweet — are being duped by someone pretending to be a survivor of the Florida school shooting.

Be discerning.

Full thread here: twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/965125132820865024

lionheart · 18/02/2018 09:28

It must be a good sign Pain. Maybe she sensed your need was great.

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kalapattar · 18/02/2018 09:33

Social media is great - but it's easy to manipulate the conversation, spread certain POV, create opposing points of view to draw out people to your view, spread certain narratives and spread fake news.

It's a new world. I've certainly spread fake news by accident because it was something that I wanted to believe was true and it was believable.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/02/2018 09:34

And how well are social media companies tackling this sort of threat?

Rob Goldman
@robjective
Very excited to see the Mueller indictment today. We shared Russian ads with Congress, Mueller and the American people to help the public understand how the Russians abused our system. Still, there are keys facts about the Russian actions that are still not well understood.
Most of the coverage of Russian meddling involves their attempt to effect the outcome of the 2016 US election. I have seen all of the Russian ads and I can say very definitively that swaying the election was NOT the main goal.
The majority of the Russian ad spend happened AFTER the election. We shared that fact, but very few outlets have covered it because it doesn’t align with the main media narrative of Tump and the election.
The single best demonstration of Russia's true motives is the Houston anti-islamic protest. Americans were literally puppeted into the streets by trolls who organized both the sides of protest.

www.sacurrent.com/the-daily/archives/2017/11/01/russian-trolls-organized-both-sides-of-an-islam-protest-in-texas

[he goes on for awhile: twitter.com/robjective/status/964680122950234112 ]

So Trump liked it

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account
@realDonaldTrump
Donald J. Trump Retweeted Rob Goldman
“I have seen all of the Russian ads and I can say very definitively that swaying the election was NOT the main goal.”
Rob Goldman
Vice President of Facebook Ads

Others did not

Judd Legum
@JuddLegum

  1. Facebook needs to ask themselves why their "VP of Ads" is making public statements that contradict the conclusions of the special counsel and aid Trump's longstanding effort to diminish the Russian effort to interfere in the 2016 election
  2. Goldman's argument seems to be that the Russians weren't primarily interested in electing Trump because they were also organizing anti-Islam rallies.

Is he aware that Trump ran on a Muslim ban?

  1. Seriously, if you can't understand that this protest, which was manufactured in May 2016, is also an effort to help Trump, I don't know how to help you
  1. I also find it disturbing that Facebook's VP of Ads is attacking the media for discussing Russia's use of social media to influence the election. It's basically mirroring Trump's argument, which is why Trump seized on it.
  1. I'd also be interested to know if these comments by Facebook's VP of Ads are meant to be official corporate communications.

Evan McMullin
@Evan_McMullin
This Facebook executive argues that Moscow’s primary goal was to divide Americans, not help Trump. But dividing populations is an essential part of the Kremlin’s playbook for installing friendly, corrupt leaders in other countries. It’s critical for @Facebook to understand this.

Michael McFaul
@McFaul
Mr. Goldman, you obviously realize the buying adds on FB was just one of many strategies the Kremlin followed to influence our election.

Molly McKew
@MollyMcKew
Hey @robjective how about you give my team all the ads 2014 up until present day and we'll do a proper sentiment and narrative analysis of them, modeled against prior Russian info ops and the US content they sought to emulate?

BiglyBadgers · 18/02/2018 09:34

As you know by now I do like to occasionally come on here and randomly muse about stuff. Feel free to ignore my ramblings. Wink

I was just following some of the amazing campaigning the children from Parklands are doing and reading everyone saying how amazing it is that this kids can stand up and do what others have previously failed to do. I was thinking how much their ability to take this action and stand up as they have has been enabled by them growing up with social media in a way that no generation before has. Bear with me on this...

They have grown up being constantly exposed to the public, from parents putting their photos on Facebook to narrating their own lives as they have got older. They are not afraid of putting themselves out there because they have always been there.

Social media has trained them in how to manage their own brand and profile. It is as natural as breathing to them to present a self publicly and promote that. They instinctively know how to create and spread a powerful, simple message that resonates.

They have access to international news and views in a way that is unprecedented. They know that things are different in other places. They know that change can happen. They see other countries where this doesn't happen and speak to people who express shock at these deaths being accepted and they can't see any reason why America can't protect them as other countries do.

Social media gets a lot of bad press around its impact on the young, but here we are seeing the good side of it. They have been forged in the social media sphere and come out kicking arse. You can see this also in the new campaign from young labour supporters pushing for labour to take an actively remain stance. Again very media savvy and powerful campaigning from people who grew up doing this stuff.

We are seeing that once the young really gets emotionally involved in something they can really do amazing things. Hope for the future! Grin

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/02/2018 09:35

Just need the clark shoes and I'm all set for the apocalypse Grin

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/02/2018 09:38

YY bigly different causes but the Parkland spirit brought to mind OFOC, though obviously the emotional strength needed for both is very different. My inner Pollyanna has been boosted by their actions

Roussette · 18/02/2018 09:39

Thanks Lion for thread and lil pic of cute kitty!

Interesting on the comparisons between Canada/Switzerland and US and what guns mean in these countries. Is it also because the US want their guns to fight some sort of government tyranny too? It's not just to shoot each other but because they fear their government, and having background checks or threats to take away their assault rifles stops the revolution. This would explain why gun sales went up under Obama as he was more vocal about gun control, and dropped under Trump as he loves the NRA. Just musing, don't know anything really.

boatyardblues · 18/02/2018 09:42

I hope it was worth it boatyard

Turns out it was the start of a diarrhoea bug, not the booze. Joy!

I hope Trumps texts come back to bite him on the arse, bigly!

As an aside, my father used to own a shotgun (UK). He had to get a licence from his local police force, who did a home inspection to ensure he had a secure gun locker that met their specification. It had to be regularly renewed. If I recall, he also had to take his licence with him to buy more cartridges. I also seem to recall they undertook checks with his GP to make sure he was of sound mind. It’s so different here to the free-for-all in the US.

Roussette · 18/02/2018 09:43

Bigly totally agree. Also all those students killed were teens, and their friends, their classmates who will be able to vote very soon, have a voice and we want to hear it.

lionheart · 18/02/2018 09:43

I think that is really interesting, Bigly. I will think about it some more.
Smile

I also think you need a pointy stick of some description Pain.

It is an essential post-apocalyptic accessory and will almost certainly come in handy (if only to fend off anyone who makes a move on the hip flask).

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blueskyinmarch · 18/02/2018 09:48

I lost you all for a bit but now i have found you! I have been following sone of the young people from Florida on Twitter and retweeting bits and pieces. I have also signed a petition this one if anyone is interested. These young people are remarkable.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/02/2018 09:48

Some bits of twitter seem to be suggesting that the inclusion of assault rifles in the second amendment is a recent thing (though what I've gleaned has all been off twitter so I can't vouch for how accurate it is).

Sean Davis‏Verified account
@seanmdav
The Second Amendment is the same today as it was when it was written and ratified. The only thing that changed is the identity of the audience whose approval you crave.

Joe Scarborough
@JoeNBC
You’re either ignorant of the law or purposefully lying. The Second Amendment’s meaning was transformed in 2008 by Scalia in Heller. Are you playing dumb or are you actually that clueless?

And

Mike Wise
@MikeWiseguy
Until recent NRA propaganda — and Antonin Scalia wrote the 5-4 majority opinion in District of Columbia vs. Heller in 2008 — The Second Amendment did not grant citizens a private right to gun ownership in the home for 180 years. Ten years later, it’s parroted as a 1776 birthright

And

Abolish ICE. Abolish CBP. Abolish the GOP.
@SeanMcElwee
Basically every legal scholar and every Court in the country was in unified agreement that the Second Amendment did not guarantee an individual right to gun ownership. Then Thomas and Scalia invented it whole cloth by butchering the historical record.

As I say though, this is all based on tweets and I don't have any idea about how accurate they are.

PerkingFaintly · 18/02/2018 09:55

Ohhh, that thread about the "Parkland survivor" troll is a very good read. Caught in real time.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/02/2018 09:55

How Russia Exploited Black Lives Matter, Sean Hannity, and Mass Shootings

Here are some key tactics used in the Kremlin’s disinformation attack.

www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/02/how-russia-exploited-black-lives-matter-sean-hannity-and-mass-shootings/

And

Michael Weiss
@michaeldweiss
This is exactly what the head of Estonia’s domestic intelligence service noted a year ago: Russian disinformation doesn’t work if you’re not too stupid to fall for it. www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/reading-the-mueller-indictment-a-russian-american-fraud

And

The 21st-century Russian sleeper agent is a troll with an American accent

www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/the-21st-century-russian-sleeper-agent-is-a-troll-with-an-american-accent/2018/02/17/d024ead2-1404-11e8-8ea1-c1d91fcec3fe_story.html?utm_term=.718795d5dabc

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