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Trump Talk: or, Lift every voice and sing

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lionheart · 17/02/2018 19:58

It's Black History Month and the fight goes on (plus, we all need a boost that does not come from ye olde hop flask).

Lift every voice and sing

Till earth and heaven ring,
Ring with the harmonies of Liberty;
Let our rejoicing rise
High as the listening skies,
Let it resound loud as the rolling sea.
Sing a song full of the faith that the dark past has taught us,
Sing a song full of the hope that the present has brought us.

Facing the rising sun of our new day begun,
Let us march on till victory is won.

Stony the road we trod,
Bitter the chastening rod,
Felt in the days when hope unborn had died;

Yet with a steady beat,
Have not our weary feet
Come to the place for which our fathers sighed?
We have come over a way that with tears has been watered,
We have come, treading our path through the blood of the slaughtered,
Out from the gloomy past,

Till now we stand at last
Where the white gleam of our bright star is cast.

God of our weary years,

God of our silent tears,
Thou who hast brought us thus far on the way;
Thou who hast by Thy might

Led us into the light,
Keep us forever in the path, we pray.
Lest our feet stray from the places, our God, where we met Thee,
Lest, our hearts drunk with the wine of the world, we forget Thee;
Shadowed beneath Thy hand,

May we forever stand.

True to our God,
True to our native land.

James Weldon Johnson (1900)

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Saffronwblue · 18/02/2018 09:59

Thanks bluesky signed and shared.
I think Trump's tweet blaming the FBI for spending too much time on him is the most self centred and self serving tweet of this whole horrible era.

Roussette · 18/02/2018 10:04

Agree Saffron he is politicising childrens deaths. Disgusting.

Roussette · 18/02/2018 10:07

Another article on Emma Gonzalez speech. Very brave

slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/02/florida-shooting-survivor-emma-gonzalez-to-trump-we-call-bs.html

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/02/2018 10:08

It is despicable but Trump may be strengthening Mueller's obstruction case against him (if Renato Mariotti is right). Very faint silver lining of an otherwise ignoble cloud.

kalapattar · 18/02/2018 10:08

How true is this statement to the UK?

The power of news illiteracy.

At the heart of the Russian fraud is an essential, embarrassing insight into American life: large numbers of Americans are ill-equipped to assess the credibility of the things they read. The willingness to believe purported news stories, often riddled with typos or coming from unfamiliar outlets, is a liability of today’s fragmented media and polarized politics. Even the trolls themselves were surprised at what Americans would believe.

merrymouse · 18/02/2018 10:10

Does anyone know if the FBI could have done something if they had followed their protocol? Could they have detained him or taken his guns away?

TheClaws · 18/02/2018 10:14

kalapattar do you mind posting the source of that statement too?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/02/2018 10:14

kala it's not surprising that there are indications that the Brexit bots were repurposed into the Trump bots in June 2016. The links between Cambridge Analytica/bannon/farage/aaron banks/darren grimes etc is pretty compelling

merrymouse · 18/02/2018 10:17

Even the trolls themselves were surprised at what Americans would believe.

I think that as in the US many people aren’t interested in the details of news, but are influenced by headline grabbing stories that reinforce existing prejudices and undermine faith in democracy.

The response is less ‘I believe this story that Anna Soubry is an alien’ and more ‘oh well it’s six of one and half a dozen of the other’, ‘you can’t believe anything you read in the papers’, ‘all politicians are crooked so it doesn’t matter who is in charge’.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/02/2018 10:23

There's a good thread on how the trolls also silenced certain narratives so particular viewpoints weren't heard as much:

Chris Hayes‏Verified account
@chrislhayes
This whole discussion about whether the Russian operation impacted the outcome of the election is ridiculous because it is in a deep sense unknowable, and also very much not the point.

Leah McElrath 🗽‏
@leahmcelrath
More Leah McElrath 🗽 Retweeted Chris Hayes
One thing NO ONE seems to be exploring, @chrislhayes, is the extent and impact of the use of Twitter to attack, intimidate, and thereby silence Clinton supporters.

In particular women and minorities (especially Black Americans).

Which DEFINITELY had an effect in my experience.

I’ll be honest (and I am ashamed to admit it):

The harassment I received when I tweeted something in support of Hillary Clinton caused me to do so less and less often.

I had only ~ 10K followers then. But I’d still get abusive name-calling and threats of violence EVERY time.

I’m already receiving confirming replies to this short thread.

And I’ve had countless conversations with friends who had the same experience.

(Cropped out names to protect them.)

Given how many journalists rely on Twitter to read what’s happening, just imagine how the COERCED SILENCE of Clinton supporters combined with the FLOOD of fake Trump supporter “MAGA” accounts influenced their perception of “enthusiasm.”

And that’s just on Twitter.

On Facebook, Clinton supporters had to create “secret” groups - those accessible by invitation only - to feel safe.

We were forced to hide - literally HIDE - our enthusiasm for Clinton to avoid being targeted for abuse.

It strains credulity to think that didn’t affect turnout.

My mentions right now are a testament to how many people the targeted harassment - and resulting silencing - affected.

Yet neither @Twitter nor @Facebook has released ANY information about the accounts who engaged in THIS part of Russia’s active measures.

Why not?

To the best of my knowledge, this aspect of Russian active measures has not been investigated by any of the Congressional inquiries or by any mainstream journalists.

(I’ve written about it.)

Which is bizarre because journalists (especially women) were subjected to it too.

I never stopped tweeting supportively of Clinton - because I’m strong-willed that way.

But I did less - and showed MUCH less excitement than I felt.

For me, the name-calling and rape/death threats were easier to tolerate than the mockery - hence my displaying less “enthusiasm.”

Which brings me to a point even more important than our being able to determine “impact” in 2016:

We NEED information about this form of active measures because the entire U.S. electorate needs to educate ourselves about the ways we EACH are vulnerable, individually.

For ex:

Once I realized the accounts (whether they were sock-puppet trolls or AI controlled bots) were adjusting their tactics (which also isn’t talked about but definitely happened) and mockery was more effective with me...mockery became easier to ignore and LESS effective.

I said this earlier today, and I’ll repeat it:

We are in a NEW kind of war.

We need as much information and education as possible about the tactics and strategies being used against us if we are to have ANY chance of winning.

(Fwiw, this thread was NOT meant to be an attack on @chrislhayes. He’s a journalist who has been addressing related issues in an affirmative way for quite a while. I used his tweet as a jumping off point for what had turned out to be a much-needed and validating discussion.)

I wrote this piece almost a year ago about my realization that many of the abusive "Bernie bro" Twitter accounts were likely Russian bots.

(This is NOT saying ALL Sanders supporters on Twitter were bots – because of course they weren't.)

shareblue.com/watching-the-hearings-i-learned-my-bernie-bro-harassers-may-have-been-russian-bots/

boatyardblues · 18/02/2018 10:26

Has anyone seen that poster on the shooting thread in AIBU who keeps dropping in links to eg wonky Gallup stats about the UK having a higher crime rate than US & Canada? Seems like a targetted attempt to divert the discussion. Even if true, we have lot of reported crime at nuisance level like criminal damage, public order etc which doesn’t even touch their mass shootings in terms of seriousness. Its interesting, though, because the ploppers & bots have less sway on MN where other posters tend to question & unpack their arguments & sources.

BiglyBadgers · 18/02/2018 11:50

The response is less ‘I believe this story that Anna Soubry is an alien’ and more ‘oh well it’s six of one and half a dozen of the other’, ‘you can’t believe anything you read in the papers’, ‘all politicians are crooked so it doesn’t matter who is in charge’.

Continuing my musings on young people and social media I think it is worth noting that young people did not vote for Trump is as large numbers nor did they vote for Brexit. There are probably lots of reasons for this, but I am sure that growing up with fact and opinions mixed up in one huge stream of consciousness means you have to learn to be much more sceptical about who you believe from a young age. I think the young who engage politically tend to be a lot more savvy about spotting bullshit than the older generation who still have an ingrained trust of anything purporting to be an official news source.

lionheart · 18/02/2018 12:10

www.lawfareblog.com/week-was-all-lawfare-one-post-236

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/02/2018 12:20

Amy siskind weekly update:

m.facebook.com/amy.siskind/posts/10215292579892897

lionheart · 18/02/2018 12:21

Just been reading a Sunday Times piece on RetweetsPro (behind the paywall, I'm afraid).

'A British business man [Jamie Robertson] is at the centre of a vast network of fake Twitter accounts used to spread anti-western propaganda and online scams.'

'Its services included adding 50,000 followers to client accounts to make them look popular--and retweeting a post 10,000 times to make it seem as if it had gone viral. For £20 users could make 1,000 Twitter accounts post any message.'

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/02/2018 12:23

Trump’s on the tweet path again

PurpleRobe · 18/02/2018 12:24

*"The sun is setting on the century
And we are armed to the teeth
We're all working together now
To make our lives mercifully brief
And school kids keep trying to teach us
What guns are all about
Confused liberty with weaponry
And watch your kids act it out
And every year now like Christmas
Some boy gets the suburban blues
Reaches for the available arsenal
And saunters off to make the news

And the women in the middle
Are learning what poor women have always known
That the edge is closer than you think
When your men bring the guns home

And look at where the profits are, yeah
That's how you'll find the source
Of the big lie that you and I both know so well
In the time it takes this cultural death wish to run its course

They're gonna to make a pretty penny
And then they're all going to hell
And he said the chickens all come home to roost

Yeah, Malcolm forecasted this flood
Are we really going to sleep through another century
While the rich profit off our blood?
And true, may take some doing
To see this undoing through
But in my humble opinion
Here's what I suggest we do...
Open fire on Hollywood
Open fire on MTV
Open fire on NBC and CBS and ABC
Open fire on the NRA
And all the lies they told us along the way

Open fire on each weapons manufacturer
While he's giving head to some Republican senator
And if I hear one more time
About a fool's right to his tools of rage
I'm gonna take all my friends
And I'm going to move to Canada
And we're going to die of old age"*

Songwriters: Ani Difranco

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/02/2018 12:27

MPs’ ‘fake news’ inquiry barred from UK embassy

Diplomats said ‘offending Trump’ was reason for decision not to host historic session in Washington

amp.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/18/mps-fake-news-inquiry-barred-uk-washington-embassy-donald-trump?__twitter_impression=true

The British embassy in Washington backtracked on promises to host a session of the parliamentary inquiry into fake news, because of worries it might offend Donald Trump, the Observer has learned.

Barely a week before MPs from the digital, culture, media and sport committee were due to arrive in Washington for the historic session on 8 February, they were informed in a letter from foreign office minister Alan Duncan that they would have to find a new venue. “We had a report back ... that either the embassy or the UK government felt this would be unhelpful because of the relationship with the US government,” said Ian Lucas, one of the committee members.

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/02/2018 12:36

McConnell: GOP expects to lose Senate, House seats in midterms

thehill.com/homenews/campaign/374400-mcconnell-gop-expects-to-lose-house-senate-seats-in-midterms?amp&__twitter_impression=true

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/02/2018 12:54

I Know, I know, actions not words but the sheer hypocrisy of this is breathtaking. How do people buy this? He’s not done anything to prevent more interference!

Donald J. Trump
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Finally, Liddle’ Adam Schiff, the leakin’ monster of no control, is now blaming the Obama Administration for Russian meddling in the 2016 Election. He is finally right about something. Obama was President, knew of the threat, and did nothing. Thank you Adam!

Roussette · 18/02/2018 12:57

Interesting Boatyard do you know the name of the poster with the stats on the UK on that thread? It's just that there has been threads in the past about gun control in the US which I've been on and there were a couple of very very persistent posters, one in particular who thoughts the UK should have free access to weapons and him/her and I argued the toss a lot

lionheart · 18/02/2018 13:16

I don't know merry. I think I did see something about how he had filled out the registration form in a particular way and the consquences of that. I will see if I can find it again.

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