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To think Labours Lily Madigan is really just trolling?

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bambambini · 15/02/2018 20:12

Young Lily (Woman’s Officer) seems to be going out of their way to rile up and insult women. I can only think either Lily is trolling for laughs or is on a little power trip. I’d love to know what MPs reallty think of their young controversial protege. How far is Labour willing to support Lily?

To think Labours Lily Madigan is really just trolling?
To think Labours Lily Madigan is really just trolling?
To think Labours Lily Madigan is really just trolling?
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Garmadonsmum · 20/02/2018 09:08

On threads were women want to stop their 16 year old from doing something (usually having someone stay over) there are general cries of they’re an adult, I left home at 16 etc.
Yet LM is a kid ?

Flomper · 20/02/2018 09:18

I left home at 17 but I was still most definitely a kid for awhile. Im not defending him, you understand, his behaviour is deplorable. Im just saying hes bothing different or special from many other bratty teens/young adults that have gone before him. Unfortunately he's been indulged in it by more mature adults who should know better, hence the nasty piece of work tying to bully women on twitter that we have today.

Flomper · 20/02/2018 09:18

nothing different/special

Icomehereseekingpeas · 20/02/2018 09:19

16 isn't an adult @Garmadonsmum Confused

In context 18 is, but an 18 year old doesn't necessarily have the life experience (I get that this sounds patronising, I'm generalising broadly here) that a few more years as an adult would bring.

A male has no experience of women's issues other than the fact the were birthed by one. Doesn't make them an understanding expert in the slightest.

Context helps.

Melamin · 20/02/2018 09:33

I don't know what the labour party are playing at. So many of them seem to be supporting this person, and getting them in articles, on the news, in party meetings, party parties etc.

They seem to be wearing blinkers with their rose-tinted sunshades and don't know where they are going.

The other parties seem to be just as daft, but seem to be holding back on acting on it. They are probably waiting to see how far Labour will fall first.

Garmadonsmum · 20/02/2018 09:36

I’m not disagreeing that 16 is young: I’m saying that a sizeable number of mumsnetters believe 16 is an adult and should be treated as such (when applied to their children and step children) but the person spoken about here seems to be getting an easier ride of it for being young - yet well over 16!

sadsparticus · 20/02/2018 09:56

You're right BrandNewHouse all members who attend the CLP's AGM get a vote on women's officer. And ime due to circumstances, the 'women with young children/caring responsibilities' category is woefully underrepresented at these meetings, which are held in the early evening.

Icomehereseekingpeas · 20/02/2018 10:14

@Garmadonsmum then so many on mumsnet would be wrong to legally class a 16 yo as an adult.

LM is getting a rough ride because not only is he young in age he's emotionally young too.

Wobbleslikeaweeble · 20/02/2018 11:13

You're right BrandNewHouse all members who attend the CLP's AGM get a vote on women's officer. And ime due to circumstances, the 'women with young children/caring responsibilities' category is woefully underrepresented at these meetings, which are held in the early evening.

That’s an interesting point and something that always in the back of my mind on this issue. And that’s the reality of female lives and female biology that often gets overlooked or even denied. Women still generally have the added burden of child rearing, caring, household work. Males don’t get judged for possible pregnancies in work, in sport males don’t have to deal with menstruation, unplanned pregnancies, abortion, miscarriage, birth, time off to let your body recover etc. Poor Federerer has done amazingly well after having twins. Bloody amazing really.

cista · 20/02/2018 11:16

It's clear that some older, more experienced people are using Lily as a pawn in a bigger game. Lily is too young and dumb to realize this of course. When I first went to uni at 18, I fell for all kinds of tricks and scams. Yes, I was legally an adult, but I didn't quite know how to do it yet. Labour will drop him like a brick once the nation hits peak trans. He's in for a mighty fall.

sadsparticus · 20/02/2018 11:37

Agree Wobbles and that's precisely why we can't have the definition of woman expanded to include people who aren't oppressed due to female biology.

It's surely harder to fight for an oppressed group if they can't be properly defined.

If it was an argument over the definitions of brown eyes/blue eyes I wouldn't really care (though my sense of logic might be a bit offended!)

DarthArts · 20/02/2018 11:51

Btw we are getting msgd by MNHQ on the I am this woman thread about use of preferred pronouns.

LifeBeginsAtGin · 20/02/2018 11:55

Well it will be great fun when this comes back to haunt him, the press will have a field day, Labour will drop him like a hot stone.

I'm not sure why the people behind him are letting this run, and what the end game is. As said Liam thinks he's the second coming but really is a puppet with several hands up his .

LoveYouSo · 20/02/2018 12:07

Btw we are getting msgd by MNHQ on the I am this woman thread about use of preferred pronouns.

I save myself the hassle and refer to LM as she/her. Sometimes they. There's no getting away that she has a penis and is biologically male. She's a gender non-conforming male, not a transsexual male/man, neither a women. But to make her happy I will call her a trans women, she, etc... She's obviously a very unstable individual, so I for one don't want to be accused for tipping her over the edge. She does that well all on her own.

In time this will completely unfold itself, and it seems it already is, at a steady rate.

Butterymuffin · 20/02/2018 12:18

I agree on the pronouns. I will use requested pronouns, I'll call someone Barney the purple dinosaur if that's what they want. It doesn't make them something they're not, and it makes for a more effective argument that women shouldn't be called cis / terfs against their wishes too.

BertrandRussell · 20/02/2018 12:25

I'm perfectly happy to give people their pronouns. Arguing about pronounss is very similar to arguing about loos. Just a way of deflecting from the real difficult discussions we seem not to be able to have.

busyboysmum · 20/02/2018 12:25

I don't agree with forcing people to say things they know are untrue.

busyboysmum · 20/02/2018 12:27

@beepthemeep

My cousin is FTM (albeit with zero treatments/counselling and lives with a straight boyfriend).

Does that mean they are basically a hetrosexual couple? Just to clarify?

BertrandRussell · 20/02/2018 12:30

I agree-usually. But as MBHQ says-sometimes pragmatism pays. And if it means we can move past this bit and on to the serious stuff? Like asking Lily what her hopes and goals for non transwomen in her constituency are?

Dougthepug · 20/02/2018 12:33

I don't mind saying her and she as it's nice to be respectful. I wouldn't call a male a woman though just because they want me to indulge them. That's just ridiculous.

EmpressOfJurisfiction · 20/02/2018 12:53

Like asking Lily what her hopes and goals for non transwomen in her constituency are?

Tried. Got blocked.

beepthemeep · 20/02/2018 13:01

Busyboy - if you can tell me, I'd love to know the answer to that!! Grin

Mogleflop · 20/02/2018 13:07

"Be nice to the bully, maybe they'll listen to you then" doesn't usually work though.

As an autistic person it really, truly bothers me having to lie about this stuff.

busyboysmum · 20/02/2018 13:37

@beepthemeep Grin goodness when will this nonsense end?

I'm getting to the point of wanting to disengage altogether with it as it is so stupid and there is no arguing with stupid.

@mogleflop I have a similar problem. I am really bad at lying - I can't do it with any conviction at all. My whole life has been based round thinking that the most important thing is truth.

Butterymuffin · 20/02/2018 13:50

"Be nice to the bully, maybe they'll listen to you then" doesn't usually work though.

There's a difference though for me between referring to Lily as she/her and saying 'Lily is a woman' 'Lily will be able to give birth to children' and so on. One has more implications for truth, the other is about politeness and consideration. Lily doesn't show these, but I don't wish to sink to her level. And as Bertrand says, there are other issues we can and should focus on.