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To think Labours Lily Madigan is really just trolling?

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bambambini · 15/02/2018 20:12

Young Lily (Woman’s Officer) seems to be going out of their way to rile up and insult women. I can only think either Lily is trolling for laughs or is on a little power trip. I’d love to know what MPs reallty think of their young controversial protege. How far is Labour willing to support Lily?

To think Labours Lily Madigan is really just trolling?
To think Labours Lily Madigan is really just trolling?
To think Labours Lily Madigan is really just trolling?
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OlennasWimple · 19/02/2018 19:48

I keep seeing the same conspiracy theory about Daniel Moscato (that he is a troll). But sadly, I think they are both doing it for real.

Maria Miller and Justine Greening introduced the idea of self ID, and using their position on the women and Equalities committee have re written The Equality Act

Sorry, this isn't true. The Equalities Act can only be amended with legislation. The Women and Equalities Committee published a report that recommended self-ID, and the Government initially accepted this and were set to launch a public consultation on the issue last year. But this has disappeared into the mist at the moment, and there is no clear idea when the consultation will be run, or if it will at all.

Meanwhile, a number of organisations (including Top Shop and M&S, but also the WI, Girl Guides, and the Labour Party) are acting as if the proposed amendment has been made law in treating self-IDed transwomen as women

anonirat · 19/02/2018 19:49

Should we not object to Rees-Mogg in case he feels victimsed?!

Should we not comment on Theresa May because she might feel victimsied?

I agree that discussion to be careful not to descend into nastiness but LM is promoting themselves on the basis of being trans and for the promtion of trans and so women are entitled to challenge what LM stands for and they way they conduct themselves if they think it harms women's rights.

Xulishesthepilot · 19/02/2018 19:53

CLP women's officer is a bit of a different league to prominent MP or indeed Prime Minister, is it not?

bluepears · 19/02/2018 19:55

i think she is a deeply troubled person who unwittingly is being used as an pawn by sinister momentum leaders for their own ends

Xulishesthepilot · 19/02/2018 19:58

i think she is a deeply troubled person who unwittingly is being used as an pawn by sinister momentum leaders for their own ends

Can I please ask what ends you think she can achieve from her post as constituency Labour party women's officer?

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OlennasWimple · 19/02/2018 20:02

Can I please ask what ends you think she can achieve from her post as constituency Labour party women's officer

It's not about what LM can achieve, it's about what Momentum can achieve. It gets one of their own into (yet another) party position, which all matters when it comes to elections for senior party members and thus affecting change at Party level.

And it is a thin end of the wedge: if a transwoman can be a women's officer in one constituency, transwomen can be women's officers in all constituencies. If you hate women, that's a great result. If people decide that there's no point in having women's officers, that's another great result.

anonirat · 19/02/2018 20:03

Xulishes not really - when the leader of the opposition backs LM. If LM was a politcal loner/outsider then you might have a point.

But then Farage was dimissed as a crank and look where that go us.

bluepears I agree that LM has troubles and that we do need to see what is behind all of this. But we do ned to highlight LM's actions though, as many people believe LM et al are just all fluffiness and sad, innocent little hurt feelings.

As I said it is a cynical, and clever move to put LM up as a front person.

Xulishesthepilot · 19/02/2018 20:07

It's not about what LM can achieve, it's about what Momentum can achieve

So is it more that she's Momentum then? Because there are a lot of far more powerful Momentum supporters in Labour. Their leader, for one.

if a transwoman can be a women's officer in one constituency, transwomen can be women's officers in all constituencies

Well yes, I suppose they can, if the women members of those local Labour parties vote them in that is.

Xulishesthepilot · 19/02/2018 20:09

when the leader of the opposition backs LM

Does he "back her" particularly? In what way? I don't know much about this, I just can't believe there's such uproar over a CLP women's officer to be frank.

OlennasWimple · 19/02/2018 20:19

JC said on Andrew Marr the other week that self-IDed transwomen are women

Ie he supports men being Women's Officers, which in one fell swoop removes both actual positions reserved for women and also the structural support that women are supposed to get from the post-holder.

Generally, it really wouldn't matter who is the CLP Women's Officer in a small constituency. They don't have as much power as a student union officer at a decent sized university, for example (though it's worth noting as an aside that LM is also a trans officer at his university, as well as various other posts)

In this case, it's the staggeringly blunt way in which the Labour Party has stuck two fingers up at women that has caused the "uproar". LM is patently unqualified for the post in practically every way.

anonirat · 19/02/2018 20:24

Xulsihes yes, Corbyn and the rest are fully behind LM and using for photo ops etc. Google or the Feminism boards will tell you more. As will members like Olennas who follow more closely than I can.

The reason that there is such an uproar about LM because some of the Labur Party are using LM to send a message/ as a pawn/ trojan horse.

Because it has happened that a self-identified male (ie no hormones, no diagnosis of gender dysmorphia, no time spent living as a woman) has taken (arguably through breaking the electoral rules) a place meant to support and advance womens rights is actually taking women's places and using it to promote only their own narrow Trans agenda - which includes a denial of biology differences between men and women and the impact of that biology.

This really is a 'thing' to be concerned about, not just some hysterical over reacting women as some would have you believe.

anonirat · 19/02/2018 20:27

Apologies for the cut and paste typos in the middle section, but you get the drift I am sure.

Xulishesthepilot · 19/02/2018 20:50

Hmm, from what I can tell Madigan's barely more than a volunteer in a local branch who doesn't have even the slightest thing to do with Labour on a national level. And as for taking the place of a woman, she hardly made the rules did she, and it's not like she voted herself in.

I don't think someone at that level of local politics should be subject to so much public scrutiny tbh.

AnxiousPeg · 19/02/2018 20:58

Why are there always people on these threads who don't understand the idea of a principle being at stake?

You can minimise all you like, and point out how little difference this example or this example makes... but the fact is, there's a bloke in a dress taking up a woman's role.

And, guess what - all these 'minor' examples that it's not worth getting upset about actually add up! And because no one objected to the thin end of the wedge, then...

Well, it's so obvious. Why am I explaining? Everyone of us understands this, even those pretending they don't.

aloropot · 19/02/2018 20:58

I rather think that LM relishes the attention and would be very upset it if all stopped actually.

Xulishesthepilot · 19/02/2018 21:01

This thread seems to be pretty specifically targetting Madigan as an individual if it's the principle that's the issue.

Tinycitrus · 19/02/2018 21:05

She’s just a wee constituency officer. That’s it.
She’s not Teresa May or anything close.

Play the ball not the man

anonirat · 19/02/2018 21:08

No one is saying that LM is writing Labour policy, but rather that LM is likely being used as a mouthpiece to conveniently promote an agenda that already exists. They have met more Labour bigwigs than most average Labour supporters I will bet.

I think anyone in politics is in public life, local or national, and their actions and beliefs deserve, no need scrutiny - how else would we know who we are voting for and hold them to account?

LM also gives talks etc and so isn't shy of putting their views forward - they just prefer not to have to listen to anyone else's views. "Lalalala" "Bigot" "I'm not listening" "TERF".

StickThatInYourPipe · 19/02/2018 21:10

Please can someone explain to me how LM can get pregnant? I’m super confused!

OlennasWimple · 19/02/2018 21:10

Tiny - where are the next Theresa Mays going to come from, if the apparatus that the Labour Party has put in place to support women into politics (such as the Women's Officer posts in CLPs, and All Women Shortlists for MP selection) is taken over by men?

OlennasWimple · 19/02/2018 21:11

StickThat - he can't. He is either naive, ignorant or trolling (or all three)

OlennasWimple · 19/02/2018 21:14

Stick - at the end of last year a baby was born to a woman who had had a womb transplant. Because, yer know, men and women are just the same and a womb is a plug and play organ, this led to the suggestion amongst certain people that this was a major step along the road to men being able to gestate and deliver successfully.

StickThatInYourPipe · 19/02/2018 21:15

OlennasWimple I googled it and apparently some random surgeon has said they may be able to give trans women womb transplants.

Ffs they will just wipe us women out of existence. It seems to be the way a lot of TRAs want to go (not ‘cis’ Hmm men though, just women)

I’m truly scared for the future as a woman

anonirat · 19/02/2018 21:16

I take issue with your loaded language Xulishes "specifically targetting an individual". You are implying that talking about a person and their publically promoted political views is akin to victimisation or bullying! It really isn't.

LM is behaving in a way that would get many other political figures sacked, and yet under the cloak of protection of 'top trumps trans' they have free rein to say anything they like.

But highlighting it will only open people's eyes in the long run.