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is there anything that could reconcile you to Brexit?

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RebeccaWithTheGoodHair · 14/02/2018 10:08

AIBU to think Boris Johnson's latest initiative is just another exercise in words that mean nothing? What does stuff like 'hope not fear' actually mean?

I want to write to my MP (again) but I'm running out of ways to ask him to explain what the actual fuck any of it means. He just bats me back and says to read Hansard and that the PM is completely clear but I can't make head nor tail of what their plans are and how they then plan to get the EU to agree to them.

I genuinely now want to be reconciled (whatever that means) but AIBU to think there can't be any reconciliation because no-one will say anything other than what they want to happen with no explanation of what will happen in the real world.

I fucking hate this, the whole mess of it and the fact it's now being led by bloody hardline Tories who think repeating that we need 'get over it' is some kind of response to valid concerns. Get over what? What does any of it mean.

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LakieLady · 14/02/2018 11:21

If it was the very softest of soft Brexits, ie still in SM/CU, I'd be easily reconciled to it, tbh. I'm crossing my fingers that the NI border issue will prove to be so impossible to resolve that that's what we end up with.

If that was the deal, and there was a second referendum on the terms, I'd probably vote to leave, purely because the lunatic fringe of Brexiteers would most likely vote to remain rather than accept a soft Brexit.

MissionItsPossible · 14/02/2018 11:23

The EU is ever changing. So whilst we may be on the outside looking in, remaining wasn't ever going to be the status quo that some people made it out to be. A United States of Europe and a European Army were dismissed as scaremongering from the Remain side.

glitterbiscuits · 14/02/2018 11:27

The whole situation is a nightmare. I despair of anything useful coming out of it.
I would be happy to say I was wrong if the country improves in a few years time.
But how could we quantify what ‘improved’ will be?
I feel like the Brexiteers should supply me with a checklist so I can tick off each wonderful thing that leaving the EU will achieve

sixteenapples · 14/02/2018 11:37

Rebecca - I agree "reasonably well" is unquantifiable. I think it is all too huge and unknowable to make a definitive statement.

In much of the Brexit debate there has been no understanding of other lives. The impact of EU has been really terrible for some people and good for others.

There have been people who have lost businesses, jobs, the chance of a house etc or been otherwise negatively affected - but they are often told that "overall" it has been better for everyone. They may find they are better off.

In future we don't know who the winners and losers might be.

It might be good in two years and teribble in ten - with something so huge we can never tell. As long as we are "ok" ourselves we tend to see things in terms of that.

My own job and income was almost destroyed by the EU freedom of movement. On the other hand my house selling attempts have been hit hard by Brexit. Difficult to say.

Efferlunt · 14/02/2018 12:11

A United States of Europe and a European Army were dismissed as scaremongering from the Remain side

Because that’s what it is

FizzyCherry · 14/02/2018 12:18

Nope. Nothing. It's unsolvable all the time there's an Irish border, for starters.
Plus in any other relationship, if I had been waiting nearly two years for one positive and still couldn't find one, I would have called dead duck and forgotten all about it by now.

MissionItsPossible · 14/02/2018 12:36

Efferlunt We shall see. Especially now we're coming out.

specialsubject · 14/02/2018 12:39

there was no plan - no referendum in the past has voted for change so our arrogant politicians (especially Cameron) assumed that this would be the same. And the EU isn't really set up for anyone leaving on the assumption that no-one would. Equal arrogance.

Scotland needs to wipe its brow in relief, because had they voted 'yes' to independence they had no plan either.

our problems are too many people for the infrastructure (can't change the former, need to do the latter), unwillingness to pay enough tax (to improve the infrastructure), very little real industry left. Some of the EU one-size-fits-all policies are causing us issues, but much of our trouble is home grown. However not everybody sees that, and with a yes/no for a very complex issue there was no scope to make a sensible decison.

at least we weren't in the euro.

meredintofpandiculation · 14/02/2018 12:41

Interesting quote from the then Minister for Europe, David Lidington, Hansard 16 June 2016

" The legislation is about holding a vote; it makes no provision for what follows. The referendum is advisory, as was the case for both the 1975 referendum on Europe and the Scottish independence vote last year. In neither of those cases was there a threshold for the interpretation of the result."

TerfsUp · 14/02/2018 12:46

No. I will never be reconciled to the results of the referendum.

Bobbydeniro69 · 14/02/2018 12:55

Nope, nothing could reconcile me to bexit, to accept such a stupid and ignorant decision that has no basis in economics, and has everything to do with barely concealed xenophobia and lying politicians that are not being held to account .

Who the fuck are we to decide we are better than Europe, that we don't need their trade and human rights law , their freedom of movement? We know better than France and Germany do we?

So many reasons why Brexit is a damaging , backward idea ..far too many to list.

Thanks, David Cameron. Great decision to have a referendum just to keep your party in power.

gamerwidow · 14/02/2018 13:01

If they had a coherent plan and could should forecasts for a number if industries that show how we would be better off post Brexit then I could be swayed. If I thought they could make a success of Brexit I’d be prepared to support it even though I voted against it. I’m not convinced they can though.

expatinscotland · 14/02/2018 13:03

No.

Boris is a cunt. Rees-Mogg's a cunt. Cameron is the mother of all cunts.

meredintofpandiculation · 14/02/2018 13:03

I will never be reconciled to the idea that "the country has clearly spoken". Nonsense. The only thing the country said is that we have no idea what we want to do. If 5 friends wanted to watch a film together, 3 wanting film A and 2 wanting film B, you would not say "we decided we wanted film A". The referendum majority was much narrower than that. However, the government thinks that if they say often enough that the result was clear, that it will become true. Sadly, recent history suggests they're right.

Helmetbymidnight · 14/02/2018 13:06

Yeah, I think if Brexitteers could come up with some answers and solutions then I might be reconciled to it.

As it is, the vast majority of them are incapable of anything but drooling 'we won get over it, we all have to work together now, it was fine back in the old days, we got through a world war on our own, it's going to be great, blah blah fucking blah.'

I don't respect any of them - and that's because they constantly talk shit.

UpstartCrow · 14/02/2018 13:09

Its already worse than I thought it would be.
I was hoping one of them would realise we need to revitalise farming in this country and start becoming more self sufficient producing food. I guess if you don't shop for salad or get it out the fridge and cut it up, you never read the label and realise we import it.

We could actually produce a lot of diesel and heating oil in the UK, if we got our shit together.

PortiaCastis · 14/02/2018 13:09

Nope,

I don't think people were given enough information before the referendum and voted on a wave of nationalism not hard facts

TheWizardofWas · 14/02/2018 13:09

Total freedom of movement in EU. That is all.

LakieLady · 14/02/2018 13:12

Boris is a cunt. Rees-Mogg's a cunt. Cameron is the mother of all cunts

They're all rich cunts, too, who are more likely to be in a position to weather the fallout.

LaurieMarlow · 14/02/2018 13:13

Boris is a cunt. Rees-Mogg's a cunt. Cameron is the mother of all cunts

I want this on a placard. Grin

TrickyD · 14/02/2018 13:18

Not reconciled, but cheered up to read that the areas of the country with most Brexit voters are predicted to suffer most economically from Brexit. Serve the stupid bastards right.

LaurieMarlow · 14/02/2018 13:20

Though I'm a dyed in the wool remainer, at this point I just want a sensible brexit.

Which means crashing out to be completely off the table. Honouring the good Friday agreement / keeping promises made on the Irish border to be the top priority. Minimising impact on the UK economy to be key. I want the hardline brexiteer asshats totally squashed.

What that means is BINO, which is the best of a bad job at this stage.

PortiaCastis · 14/02/2018 13:23

Most of all though Cameron's a bastard cunt for starting the ridiculous mess and then fucking off when he didn't get the result he was banking on and had no plan, no fucking plan whatsoever and we are left floundering.

specialsubject · 14/02/2018 13:23

As a minor issue, if people really are so ignorant that they don't realise that you can't grow salad crops in the UK in winter, there really is no hope.

Helmetbymidnight · 14/02/2018 13:29

Cameron is a cunt but he's not a brexiteering cunt. Even he is not that thick.

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