What's with all these transgender threads?!

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No less than 7 on my active threads?? Is it just me who in real life hasn't encountered any transgender people?? And coming from the professional background that I'm in, I see a pretty varied side of life

Am I missing out on something here??

But if you see any bigotry please do report it.

It's also a misunderstanding that TRAs want to break gender stereotypes - they seem to want to do the opposite as they claim that if you like traditionally 'feminine' stuff, then you are 'living as a woman'.

The Lewis Hamilton incident was interesting: watching TRAs say that Lewis Hamilton was 'transphobic' for saying that 'boys don't wear dresses' whilst simultaneously apparently claiming that wanting 'girly stuff' makes you an actual girl?

According to a certain survey I'm actually transgender because of the clothes I wear and my typical pastimes and opinions I hold.

Skippy, careful, you're starting to understand why we are concerned ;)

No, I'm not trying to emotionally blackmail you. I'm saying that I don't think it's good for me in terms of my health to be associated with a site which is transphobic. I find all kinds of bigotry very upsetting. This is my fault for not being more resilient.

Lovesagin, I think most of us are probably non binary, we just don't all make a thing out of it. I've seen this discussed on several forums, and I don't think anyone ever fully identifies with what are generally accepted as the complete male/female stereotypes.

Whiskyowl how are you on facebook and twitter? There are many people who have felt hounded on those sites.

And this thread has gone the way of every other thread on this topic, in that those accusing poster of 'filth' and 'transphobia' don't actually have any coherent arguments as to why the 'transphobes' are wrong. And have to resort to, as Eresh says, emotional blackmail to stop people discussing this.

This is nothing like gay rights. The argument in favour of gay rights begins and ends with 'people being attracted to the same sex doesn't have any impact on anyone else'. What TRAs are advocating does negatively affect other people, including transgender people themselves, and that is why people are concerned.

This might be one of the reasons for all the trans threads....

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/transgender-murderer-crowned-prisons-miss-12022026

TellsEveryone. If I make wholly natural assumption based on a name or appearance and a transman or transwoman advised me otherwise and made me aware that I was using the wrong pronouns, I would change them. Doesn't mean I think that a transgendered man is a man or a transgendered woman is a woman and therefore should be given access to woman's spaces.

We are going to have to disagree on using pronouns I am afraid.

I'm not on Twitter. I'm on Facebook, but I don't encounter these views on there owing to the fact that I only really interact with friends and I am lucky enough to know lots of lovely people.

It's horrid to compare this to gay rights and another silencing tactic. TRAs are actually trying to wipe out the gay community by suggesting lesbians must like cock etc and talk of cotton ceilings. And people support this

It’s got so utterly ridiculousness and insidious on here that I’m on the verge of leaving and, frankly, the vitriol is turning me away from the ‘cause.’ The patronising, rude responses to anyone who dares not tow the party line on here are pathetic. It was liveable when they stayed in their little transphobic ‘feminism’ topic but the more it strays out the more I suspect people, like me, are finding them to be dicks.

That is fine because the vast majority of women believe in inclusiveness and equality
is just another way of saying 'some women don't feel there's anything wrong with being told to step aside and allow the men to take the prizes'. Well, not this woman, and if anyone thinks that makes me transphobic and bigoted, then go right ahead. So be it.

Assigned's link from the Daily Record says it all.

Anyone who is genuinely puzzled and can't be bothered doesn't have time to RTFT, just read that. Please.

Less of a forum, more of a soapbox, this place at the minute.

I'm also ready to leave.

Spot on MelanieSmooter

It's times like this when you realise just how similar feminism and MRAs actually are. The methodology is exactly the same, even if their goals are different

Sorry, my post is in response to the articke from the Daily Record.

About 8 years ago I used to work in quite a big public sector organisation where there was a transwoman. No idea what toilets she used and never aware of any issues. There is a teenage transwoman who seems to be in the park with her friends a lot. Again, no issues.

However, there is quite a large outdoor shopping precinct near me with a supermarket in it. There has always been a group of rather unpleasant and aggressive street drinkers/spice takers who hang around there, the sort you would cross the street to avoid. A few of them have taken to wearing women's wigs (nothing else noticeably female except for possibly a bit of make up) and hanging around the ladies toilet. Security appear to be too scared to challenge them. I don't use those toilets anymore and have to hang on until I get home.

I don't think they're genuine trans, they're just exploiting it.

Isn't it extremely homophobic and mysoginistic to suggest that because a woman doesnt want a man doing her smear that she shouldnt be ok with a lesbian either? Im not at any more risk of rape with a lesbian than i am a straight woman. I've never been sexually assaulted or harassed by a woman.

Lesbians are women. Men are men. Being a lesbian doesnt make a woman any less female. I think equating the two shows a deep rooted hatred of lesbians. Having a penis makes you a male and i reserve the right to decide who touch my genitals, thank you.

Melanie please do report any transphobic posts, mnhq will remove them.

Can I ask you how you feel like a woman? How do you know you are a woman? I'm genuinely interested in the answer,most of us are, and ready to debate it, sadly noone can ever answer though.

I would say 1-2 new trans threads appear on AIBU a day...it's relentless.

If each new thread opens a few more eyes to whats happening then that's all for the better.

I have no problem whatsoever with trans folk. Im very much in favour for people living happy and fulfilling lives and being confident in their body. But I do have a problem with the potential issues that will arise from self identification and the impact this could have on women's rights. That is all.

People are most likely to be assaulted by people they are in a relationship. I'd like to see schools beef up pshe about what a good relationships looks like. Only 10 minutes on mumsnet and you can see otherwise intelligent people tolerating unacceptable behaviour in a close relationship.

With this in mind I can't get worked up about the trans thing. There are much larger present dangers.