What's with all these transgender threads?!

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No less than 7 on my active threads?? Is it just me who in real life hasn't encountered any transgender people?? And coming from the professional background that I'm in, I see a pretty varied side of life

Am I missing out on something here??

And now there's another trans thread.

I don't understand why there is so many, I just didn't realise how many people must actually be affected by transgender in their every day lives. I must live in a bubble because it never seems to affect my life

It isn't about how TIMs are awful, violent, nasty people! That really would be transphobic!

It's about how we are rapidly removing the boundaries which keep women and girls safer.

This is one of the few places where women are allowed to discuss the impact that self identification has on women and girls. If that bothers people, if they don't like women talking about their hard won sex based rights, then that is a problem they need to address. If they disagree then say why. Don't just be cross at women talking and debating because that my friend is misogyny.

It’s got so utterly ridiculousness and insidious on here that I’m on the verge of leaving and, frankly, the vitriol is turning me away from the ‘cause.’ The patronising, rude responses to anyone who dares not tow the party line on here are pathetic. It was liveable when they stayed in their little transphobic ‘feminism’ topic but the more it strays out the more I suspect people, like me, are finding them to be dicks.

Well then come on then, convince us that there is nothing to worry about, argue your point.

Because women are scared that their hard fought for rights are at stake. I'm really not one for hyperbole and drama but that's is the reality. So calling people 'pathetic dicks' because they are concerned is not really going to cut the mustard.

Coherently putting across the argument that there is nothing to worry about is what is needed here. And so far, despite having been on many trans threads, I have not heard it.

So..... Over to you.

Pfftkids it doesn't affect my life either, at the moment. That might change if self ID comes into law.
In any case, surely we can support women who take part in competitive sports and only want a level playing field, or women who only feel comfortable with a biological female seeing them naked, or giving them smear tests, or whatever.

MasterWu you didn't answer my question. How do you think women can be protected in vulnerable spaces if Self-ID is allowed - specifically with male sexual offenders saying they are now females and need to go to women's present? If I heard of a workable solution to this problem I don't think I'd have an issue with self identification.

I must live in a bubble because it never seems to affect my life

If self-ID comes in it will, I can promise you that. And not in a postive and empowering way.

*prisons not presents

I just wish to goodness MNHQ would create a trans topic and people could post there.

And for once I haven't rtft because I agree with the OP.

The lesbians in changing rooms thing is just daft, sorry. I don't care if the woman who is changing next to me or doing my smear etc is gay, bi, straight or even pansexual. She's a woman, and that's why I feel safe with her.

Since time began, parents have instructed their children to ask a lady for help if they get lost. Nobody cares if that lady is a lesbian, not even the worst homophobe thinks that lesbians are a material threat to womens and children's safety.

I don't understand why there is so many, I just didn't realise how many people must actually be affected by transgender in their every day lives. I must live in a bubble because it never seems to affect my life

Mine neither at the moment, but that is because:

My daughter isn't old enough to participate in sport so I don't need to worry about her competing against males yet.

I have never had to use a rape crisis centre so I have never had to worry that my rape counsellor will be someone who is male.

I have never needed to use a women's refuge so I have never worried about sharing a space of refuge with someone who is male, directly after fleeing for my life from someone who is male.

I have never been in prison so I have never had to worry about sharing my space with a convicted sex offender who is male.

Etc etc.

EtA I do know transgender people personally though.

TellsEveryone. If I make wholly natural assumption based on a name or appearance and a transman or transwoman advised me otherwise and made me aware that I was using the wrong pronouns, I would change them. Doesn't mean I think that a transgendered man is a man or a transgendered woman is a woman and therefore should be given access to woman's spaces

Hi. You said that you could see a woman when I posted a picture of a man. Could you expand on your actual thought process to get to that's bearing in mind there were two photos, one of a man with a man's name and one of a man with a woman's name. I don't understand why you said you see a woman there. Thanks.

Does anybody know what the percentage is of transgender people?

It was liveable when they stayed in their little transphobic ‘feminism’ topic but the more it strays out the more I suspect people, like me, are finding them to be dicks.

Yes, nasty old feminists pissing people off as usual.

I so wish all these people throwing the words bigot and transphobe around would read the threads. It is a current issue and will pervade every aspect of our lives and mainlt not in a good way. Just today it's the Hannah Mouncey story. Are we supposed to just shut up and let this sort of thing happen? I am not a sportswoman but I feel so sad for those female players.

callmeadoctor according to Stonewall's definition, just about everyone.

*Xulishesthepilot Wed 14-Feb-18 09:58:40
Less of a forum, more of a soapbox, this place at the minute.

I'm also ready to leave*

Given that this is the only thing you have ever posted I don't think MN Towers is going to be particulary worried...

“The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."

I think this could quite easily be applied to the radical feminists on MN. I don’t think that some of them are aware that they 'mansplain', patronise, dismiss or just mock those who don’t agree with them. To quote The Who, “Meet the new boss, same as the old boss”.

On MN you have to be the right kind of feminist to fit in.

Does anybody know what the percentage is of transgender people?

I believe it's about 0.1% of the population. Trouble is TRAs are a far higher proportion of the population which indicates to me at least that the majority of who claim to be trans are in fact pretending to be for their own nefarious reasons.

MasterWu you didn't answer my question. How do you think women can be protected in vulnerable spaces if Self-ID is allowed - specifically with male sexual offenders saying they are now females and need to go to women's present?

Given that prison is an entirely voluntary life style choice, I really couldn't give two shits...

Does anybody know what the percentage is of transgender people?

Hi. The issue is not transgender people. It is violent men pretending to be transgender in order to access women's spaces to suit their agenda. Some of which is pretending to be lesbians in order to get sex, by calling lesbians who do not want to have sex with their penises, bigots and transphobes.

I don’t think that some of them are aware that they 'mansplain

Women do not mansplain. By definition they can't, surely.

"Given that prison is an entirely voluntary life style choice, I really couldn't give two shits*

Women who are in prison because they defended themselves against their violent partners and who prefer to be in prison to stay safe...yeah some lifestyle choice. It is patently obvious you do not give a shit mate.

It isn't the percentage. There is a young lass on twitter getting vilified because she's talking about her girlfriend and isn't being inclusive because she mentioned periods. This is what it means, women redefined to always include males.