What's with all these transgender threads?!

[pancakequeenisheretosaveyou]

No less than 7 on my active threads?? Is it just me who in real life hasn't encountered any transgender people?? And coming from the professional background that I'm in, I see a pretty varied side of life

Am I missing out on something here??

tammy

NRTFT but just wanted to say thanks to @PencilsInSpace for highlighting that excellent fact sheet which I will share again here sages.org.uk/publications/sages-factsheet.html please, I urge everyone to read this - much easier than wading through discussions on MN as it summarises why we should all be very concerned.

Also thanks for flagging up the consultation with Scottish gov - I've just completed it. Reading their questions was actually a terrifying reality check - where will this madness end? Not sure how articulate I was about my concerns but I gave it a good go!

Thank you to all the other regular MNers that I have learnt so much from on all of the Trans threads (maybe we should rename them "women's rights & safety under threat" instead!) which I have been digesting for months now & was too nervous to post until now. I have gone from "live & let live" to peak trans & now it is very clear to me what is at stake.

DailyWTFMoments

Some "people with penises" use their penis as a weapon

My husband thinks his penis is a weapon but I have told him in no uncertain terms that I view it as a small implement at best.

The possession of a penis is the only common factor shared by all perpetrators who use a penis as a weapon

The profundity of that statement is breathtaking.

I am amazed that more people who have borrowed a penis don't use it as a weapon

Pages behind but round of applause for @AprilW

Thanks to those that have tried to explain. Not thanks to those that have answered tersely to what were genuine questions. And therein lies the issue with these threads for me... The lecturing tone some people seem to take.
Id still say that a large majority of the population don't spend a lot of time thinking about this as it's out of their experience. I'm not saying that's a good thing. At all.But if when someone asks a genuine question the answer is terse, then the less questions currently uneducated in this area people will ask.

I also still don't believe that the Majority of men, when given the out of self ID, will choose to use it to assault women in their own safe spaces. Yes some may, but I still believe that will be a very small amount of people-and those that do are those that will surely be trying to find ways of doing so anyway, if that's what they are horribly determined to do-because they are clearly extremely nasty bastards.
And no, I don't find any attack on any woman in any circumstance acceptable. Having been sexually assaulted myself however, I will I think, still feel more threatened in, say, a rowdy bar than I would in a woman's toilet.if a predatory man is going to follow me in to a toilet then he's going to do that anyway isn't he? What's stopping him doing it now is my point? There are no barriers across the door that prevent any predator from entering are there? And surely if anyone assaults anyone, it doesn't matter what gender they are claiming to be, it's the assault that's the crime, not the gender assumed by the perpetrator?

So no terse answers

I thought that pretty much just meant short and blunt

As im new to mumsnet and live quite a anti-social lifestyle i really though ive totally missed something ... i have no clue or opion really but seems very popular topic of discussion on mumsnet

meandmy4

Its only been recently that its really taken off

To be honest more and more threads are being started by people who think there are too many mean threads...which is weird

You might not agree with Danielle Muscatto but in the interests of fairness Danielle has transitioned and no longer looks like those old photos. It’s dishonest to be so misleading.

So danelle didnt believe she was a woman and say she was a woman until she fully transitioned?

Darth

This link lists 10 sexual crimes committed by men in Target stores since they allowed men identifying as women into women's changing rooms.

www.afa.net/the-stand/culture/2016/04/sex-crimes-at-target/

This is just changing rooms in one company over a short space of time. Self ID will open ALL women's spaces in all organisations and all companies nationwide. Seeing as many predators are opportunists and impulsive it is naive to think women won't be at greater risk.

You think men will not take advantage, well they already are.

Muscato's Instagram pics don't look any different though I appreciate we may not be talking about surgery that we'd see in a pic...

bambam

You bad bunny!

I was all confused

I like the glasses on the lady with the red hair

Muscato looks like a man in s dress. Because he is a man in a dress.

Presumably Bambam, we don't know what transition means to Danielle. There is no specific definition is there? Clearly Daniele now wears a dress and has shaved off the beard. I can't see any other differences, tbh.

But surely they always have? How many sexual assaults that occur now, before self id, take place in public neutral spaces? In otherwise deserted women's toilets? In lifts? In car parks? In public parks? At gigs? In the victims own home?
If and when they get to court (not often enough) it's the assault that's being examined isn't it- a man saying 'I'm a woman' wouldn't be found not guilty on that basis surely?
Sexual predators are impulsive, and opportunistic. I just don't fully believe that self ID alone will increase the existing numbers of sexual predators in the general populace.
Terse to me means rude tbh. I asked a question and one poster responded ' how many attacks on women are acceptable? One, two, ten?' I actually found that to be fairly offensive as it goes. I don't think asking a genuine question is indicative of finding assaults on women to be acceptable.
I don't support self ID at all, actually. But not really on the grounds that it will make life more dangerous for women. I think it's already peak dangerous as it is.

To be fair to Danielle, she’s (courtesy pronoun) also wearing pink glasses which must mean that she has fully transitioned as a woman as women/girls wear pink and men/boys do not.

Putting aside gender entirely here but WTF is that outfit they're wearing? That bandanna's like a swimming hat for a start and I'll not even comment on the rest.

Re "AFAB transwoman"

It's of course a bad faith argument and I haven't actually used it. But boy it's a good way to flip this insane thing on its head and expose the absurdity of it all.

It does indeed. Look at this absolute gem where a well known transactivist realises just what women using the word "transwoman" about themselves would actually mean for the trans movement:

Fair enough darth

I dont think it does mean rude per se

But i can absolutely understand why 'tone' is important when typing

Its like texting though...the amount of times ive had to put a smiley face cos im worried about how my first text sounded

Darth, If I walk toward the ladies and am followed by a man, I can turn around and point him toward the gents. If I'm uncomfortable, I can get help from staff- excuse me, I want to use the loo but there's a bloke in there.

I can't do that if TIMs are allowed wherever women go. Neither can Moslem women, who prefer to use single sex places.

Removing barriers to assault cannot be a good thing. Just because assaults happen anyway, doesn't mean we should abandon all attempts to stay safe. At the moment, it is tricky/embarrassing for a fetishist to go in the next cubicle to me to get his kicks. Once we have self ID, it's open season.