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What's with all these transgender threads?!

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pancakequeenisheretosaveyou · 14/02/2018 05:43

No less than 7 on my active threads?? Is it just me who in real life hasn't encountered any transgender people?? And coming from the professional background that I'm in, I see a pretty varied side of life Confused

Am I missing out on something here??

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Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 14/02/2018 17:47

Ive absolutely no useful advice wappers

My ds says he is pleased that he grew up without this pressure as i would have another daughter now rather than a gay/bi son

BeyondTerfyCassandra · 14/02/2018 17:53

Oh wappers. Your poor child :(

And poor you! I can’t imagine having to deal with this. Are you in touch with other parents in the same situation? I think I remember that 4th wave now has a forum area..?

DailyWTFMoments · 14/02/2018 17:57

I have, in a number of my posts, used the term "People with penises" when I have wanted to refer collectively to those with this anatomy.

It matters to me that I can distinguish between the two because some "people with penises" use their penis as a weapon - to assault others, with or without penises. The possession of a penis is the only common factor shared by all perpetrators who use a penis as a weapon.

If I were to describe those perpetrators as men, I would be excluding those perpetrators who have penises but refer to themselves (or are referred to as others) as women.

TellsEveryoneRealFacts · 14/02/2018 18:02

I cannot be steralised as I might "change my mind" and "im too young". However, a child can choose and is actively encouraged to use medication that will steralise and the long term effects are unknown. Its complete madness.

Not if you follow the money. It makes perfect sense.

You = 1 expensive operation.
Children = a lifetime of drugs and hormones. £kerching

WappersReturns · 14/02/2018 18:04

Thank you Flowers I was directed to 4th wave by the lovely ladies here and we've all found it so helpful. I haven't posted yet but I feel as though the time is now!
It seems as though there's a lot of parents who feel as though they have to make a choice between supporting their children and shielding them from being used by activists to further the agenda. Sad as it is that there are more people in this position it's good to know we aren't alone.

TammySwansonTwo · 14/02/2018 18:05

shotsfired I’m happy to discuss it.

The name of these drugs is gnrh analogs and they’re used to treat endometriosis, various types of cancer and very early puberty in children - and of course they’re now being used as “puberty blockers”, and people are told they are safe and completely reversible. My experience says otherwise.

I started on this drug 11 years ago for endometriosis, I was on it from 25-27, so long since gone through puberty. It essentially causes a temporary menopause so I had the usual hot flushes etc which were unpleasant but went away when I stopped the drug. That was the least of my trouble.

I permanently lost Hair and breast tissue - these didn’t return. Around a year in I experienced what they term loss of libido but which is actually a complete aversion to any physical contact, or even the thought of sex. I’d hoped that this would go away when I stopped the drug but it continued for a further five years and returns any time my hormone levels change. My bones have thinned and this is not reversible.

Whilst on the drug I began experiencing debilitating fatigue, muscle and joint pain. This was diagnosed as ME and fibromyalgia. I had to stop working a few years after coming off it as I am so unwell. After a lot of research I believe this is actually a thyroid issue related to a problem with the pituitary gland, on which this drug works, but there’s so little research into this type of drug and resulting issues that no one wants to hear it.

I wish I’d never agreed to it now, and the thought of giving it to children is beyond belief. There’s talk of it being necessary because otherwise there’s a risk of suicide - believe me, the mental health repercussions of having no sex drive, shrivelled genitalia, longterm debilitating illness which doctors don’t give a shit about, being unable to work, losing your hair and having the bones of a pensioner at 30 aren’t great either. But nobody wants to hear it.

BeyondTerfyCassandra · 14/02/2018 18:08

By the way wappers, did you see the documents produced for schools, released by transgender trend this week?

I’ll grab a link.....
transgendertrend.com/wp-content/upl

TammySwansonTwo · 14/02/2018 18:14

That guide was linked to in a feminist group im in, defining it as TERFs infiltrating schools and how dangerous it is. It’s so depressing.

WappersReturns · 14/02/2018 18:20

I hadn't Beyond, thank you! Downloading the pack now!

bridgetoc · 14/02/2018 18:25

Certain types of Leftie (BBC, Guardian types) love the whole transgender thing. Obsessed they are.......

I can't go on the BBC news app without there being a trans themed story. The percentage of the nation that are trans is tiny, but you would not think so if you lived in a Leftie bubble.

We all know that the likes of The BBC are bonkers though, and sane people take everything they do, and those of their ilk with a giant pinch of salt though.

Ereshkigal · 14/02/2018 18:29

Hang on, so what you are saying is that women in prison have no right to be able to keep men out of their space, but men in prison should have the right to self id as a woman in order to get into a women's prison?

Yes that's exactly it. Much compassionate. So equality.

RoseWhiteTips · 14/02/2018 18:33

It is called overkill.

DreamyMcDreamy · 14/02/2018 18:35

Just looked on Twitter under #peaktrans.
It is actually insane.
Here's one tweet.
Can we not treat menstruation as an inherently female thing. What about trans ppl? Trans men forced to be in women's prisons that also suffer from the same issues. Menstruation is not a female issue.

Course it fucking is!! How the hell is it phobic to say that only biological women can menstruate?! It is a female issue.Because, yanno, WOMEN menstruate. Trans ones do not.
It's common bloody sense. I have a feeling today that the world has actually gone mad.

WiseOldHag · 14/02/2018 18:40

How the hell is it phobic to say that only biological women can menstruate?! It is a female issue.Because, yanno, WOMEN menstruate. Trans ones do not.

And this will be all condensed down to "Why are there so many transphobic threads on Mumsnet?" -

and "How many trans people do you know?" (aka - aren't some people really nasty..)

DreamyMcDreamy · 14/02/2018 18:48

I never usually post on feminist issues and actively avoid the feminism boards as I feel myself eye rolling at half the stuff, but "all these transgender threads" are actually really bloody important and more women need to wake up and see what is actually happening and being said!

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 14/02/2018 18:53

wise

Yep

That thread you mentioned isnt a disingenuous thread at all...

Nope, not at all

FluffyPineapple · 14/02/2018 19:10

That’s it! From this moment on I will be self-identifying as a man. Let those who FEEL like a woman have my monthlies. Fair swap!

DreamyMcDreamy · 14/02/2018 19:15

That’s it! From this moment on I will be self-identifying as a man. Let those who FEEL like a woman have my monthlies. Fair swap!

Me too Grin
If it really did mean being an actual woman,and getting all the crap that comes with it like period pain and giving birth....yeah, well they're welcome to it and maybe some wouldn't be so keen then....

BouncingIntoGraceland · 14/02/2018 19:27

I can't understand why people keep saying things like "do you really think men will go through transitioning just to get I'm the women's toilets?"

Can you people not comprehend that the whole point of self-id is that they won't have to do a fucking thing!

No Dr appointments, no pills, no injections, no wig, no shaving off the beard, no boob job, no surgically inverting the penis, no wearing a dress, no living as the opposite sex for 2 years.

NOT A SINGLE THING OTHER THAN SAY "I AM A WOMAN"

DreamyMcDreamy · 14/02/2018 19:35

Can you people not comprehend that the whole point of self-id is that they won't have to do a fucking thing!

NOT A SINGLE THING OTHER THAN SAY "I AM A WOMAN"

Exactly!

Patodp · 14/02/2018 19:42

I have only skim read the full thread,
But just my reply to the OP
The reason why there are so many trans threads on MN recently is because due to recent high profile events like the change in the law to self-ID, the Labour party changing the wording for all female shortlists to anyone who identifies as female shortlists, Corbyn replying he believes trans women are women on the Andrew Marr show, the BBC and the Guardian constantly championing trans people a recent article finishing with "some women have dicks" or something....
Anyway so due to transgenderism being constantly shoved in our face, more and more of us are reaching peak trans.

Because anything Gender Critical gets you banned from twitter and Facebook and Net mum's and all gender critical comments get deleted from newspaper comments BTL, mumsnet.com is the ONLY place for gender critical discussion.

So more and more people are posting due to their reaching peak trans and wanting more specific information, and flocking here because it's the only place for gender critical discussion.

You are also getting trans activists flocking here to scare and mock us with disingenuous posts basically NATALTing and gaslighting so there's that too.

Trans is trending right know and it's great because the issue is reaching a whole lot of people and peaking them.

I hope you have filled out the Scottish consultancy for self-ID because once that gets made law we are fucked.

DrawingLife · 14/02/2018 19:50

Fluffy,
You know what's really fun? Identifying as an AFAB trans woman (assigned female at birth). I say I'm a trans woman, therefore I am. You will realise that any argument they throw at you is based on nothing else than biology, in exactly the way they tell us is invalid.

It's of course a bad faith argument and I haven't actually used it. But boy it's a good way to flip this insane thing on its head and expose the absurdity of it all.

DreamyMcDreamy · 14/02/2018 20:23

Here's another under the #peaktrans on Twitter.
AN NHS patient born a man but registered as gender neutral has apparently been offered a cervical smear.
Erm......
here

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/908181/NHS-patient-gender-neutral-Britain-s-most-tattooed-man-offered-cervical-smear

Presumably so that all females are equal? He obviously has no cervix.So what is the point apart from to look "right on" ? Confused

Fekko · 14/02/2018 20:26

Was offered a smear... did he take it up? Now that would have been an interesting appointment (not to mention a monumental fucking waste of NHS money). Was he also offered a prostate check or would that have been ‘hate speak’?

Geronimoleapinglizards · 14/02/2018 20:29

tammy that sounds devastating, i'm so sorry. It's terrifying to think of children being given this medication.

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