What's with all these transgender threads?!

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No less than 7 on my active threads?? Is it just me who in real life hasn't encountered any transgender people?? And coming from the professional background that I'm in, I see a pretty varied side of life

Am I missing out on something here??

Meanwhile there is war in Syria, the Rohingya refugee crisis continues, we have to find a way through Brexit, the oceans are being poisoned with plastics....

Luckily even with my rubbish old ladybrain, I'm able to care about and take action on several different things at once

Vulnerable women in this country matter too, you know?

There was a Japanese man who hid in a drain for 5 hours. If men will go to these lengths then waltzing into a locker room claiming they are a woman will be a breeze.

www.upi.com/Odd_News/2015/11/10/Japanese-man-arrested-twice-for-hiding-in-a-storm-drain-to-film-up-womens-skirts/6791447171509/

In the US Target had an increase in their predatory offences after introducing gender neutral facilities.

Toronto University had to reverse their decision about gender neutral facilities after male students used it to video female students in bathrooms and shower.

I don't for one moment think there aren't any issues. Trans people within the prison system should be catered for within the prison system but not in the prison they don't identify as - there should perhaps be separate units. I agree it's not fair for a transwoman to be in a women's prison (particularly if their conviction is a sex offence) but neither should they go to a man's prison. Perhaps a separate unit would be appropriate.

Most leisure centres near me have changing villages rather than separate changing areas for men and women, quite a good system. There are also uni loos.

So yes there are issues but the entire trans community shouldn't be tarred because of the actions of a noticeable minority.

As for the issue of teens and treatment I'm really torn. Some people do just know that early. There should be safeguards in place though to ensure coercion doesn't occur.

It's all so complex.

@FrancinePefko say what now?

I never mentioned PERF, which as far as I can see is something a mumsnetter made up.

MY point was that TRAs apparently get to make up names for women, weaponise those words, and we can’t do anything about it? Meanwhile, calling them a penis owner or man upsets them?

Quite frankly, it’s a depressing state of affairs that men make up the insults and they are taken as truth. Women make up insults and we are shrill shrews who probably hysterical fat ugly lesbians.

In fact - case in point. ‘Hysterical’. Show me a word loaded in the same way against men.

Also, despite my tiny lady brain I am able to care about multiple things at a time, but this thread is not about Syria it’s about the multiple trans threads and why OP thinks they’re done to death.

Sex offenders have, are and will go to extreme lengths to attack. Why make it easier?
And no i am not saying all trans people are sex offenders. But with self id, you dont have to actually be trans. Anyone can go anywhere their sex prohibits for the safety of the opposite gender and attack.

And for all those say have seperate units/changing rooms/toilets et for trans.

TRAs dont want this, they want access to wherever they want. Although if you have a GRC you can have access.

Have you ever been on the drugs being given to children as “puberty blockers”? Because I have, and therefore know exactly how concerned we should be about that.

So yes there are issues but the entire trans community shouldn't be tarred because of the actions of a noticeable minority

This is will be one of the many negative consequences of self-ID. At the moment there is an honour system whereby genuine non-predatory transexuals are generally able to use women's facilities. If self-ID comes in, and increasing numbers of sexually predatory men use it as a free pass to gain easy access to those spaces, the 'old-school' trans community will suffer massively as a result.

@TammySwansonTwo Have you ever been on the drugs being given to children as “puberty blockers”? Because I have, and therefore know exactly how concerned we should be about that.

Tammy I'd be very interested to hear more from you about this. The first hand experiences we have had (e.g. from trans women who contribute to these threads) have been incredibly interesting and informative to the discussion. Thank you.

This is all new to me, these threads are eye opening. The fact that children can be given puberty blockers is horrifying.
I'm sorry, but when you're a young child, pre puberty, you don't always know what you want.
OK, some might know, but not all.You can change your mind, and it won't be so easy and also potentially very damaging to change your mind a few years down the line when it's too late.

@DarthNigel Have you any idea what sort of lengths men go to now to abuse women in some way? I mean, hiding in a septic tank is a bit of effort I must say

Imagine just saying to that bloke, "dude, you don't need to do anything now! You just go ahead and walk right into the gym changing room, if anyone says anything, get them arrested for a hate crime".

Yeah, he's never going to take advantage of that is he...

Just one quick question for you, how many women have to be spied on for you to say it's unacceptable? one? ten? 100? Just so I know where the threshold is. Thanks.

Meanwhile, calling them a penis owner or man upsets them?

I am not sure I've heard anyone say they are "upset" at this. It's just a bit a bit silly in the big scheme of things. Rather than "Penis-Owners" and "Vagina-Owners" why not go the whole hog and just say "Pricks" and "Cunts" ,

Watchful waiting is what I think is best for children, personally. And access to appropriate counselling, that isn’t scared to query a diagnosis.

The Samaritans have guidelines around the reporting of suicide for a reason, yet any time anyone mentions pro-anything-but-full-medical-transition-for-children they have the “51% attempt suicide” stat thrown at them.

Upsettingly, transgender children are not alone in attempting suicide (coincidentally the rates are very similar for asd...), the mental health system for children/teens is broken. But it’s the only suicide-related issue that gets promoted in such a way

@FrancinePefko How about "men" and "non men"? I don't know if that's transphobic..? Need to check with the green party.

I don't know if any of you are under the impression that you're on the side of normal trans people when you start these threads but I can assure you that you are not. You're supporting trans activists.
Trans activists are making life harder for normal trans people. Self ID will put trans women who "pass" at risk and trans men who do not "pass" at risk.

Trans women don't call women cis, trans activists do. Trans women don't pressure lesbians to accept sex with a penis, trans activists do. Trans women don't find mentioning pregnancy, vaginas, uteruses, and periods offensive, trans activists do.

When my child came out as trans they went searching for advice and support online. Trans activists led my 12 year old into a conversation about sex and when they teased out the information that my child would feel uncomfortable having sex with a penis they called my 12 year old a "bigoted meat sock". That's trans activists. That's what they do to real trans people who are struggling.

That's who you're standing up for when you attack the women on this board who dare to speak up about all of the above and more. If you're a trans activist then say so, but please don't pretend you give a damn about normal trans people when there are trans women, trans men, and families of trans people on this board who are just as scared, just as worried about the trans activists agenda and you aren't listening when you're too busy yelling transphobe.

Wappers that is unconscionable. I've read most of the trans threads on here and haven't come across your story. More people need to know what the TRAs actually do. They are the scum.

@FrancinePefko I brought it up because you did, at 15:50 today.

And you’ve come full circle btw.

Rather than "Penis-Owners" and "Vagina-Owners" why not go the whole hog and just say "Pricks" and "Cunts”

Or I dunno - why not just call them men and women?

wappers

So sorry

They are gutless fucking wonders...incredibly brave when it comes to berating children, sad sacks of shit

I've posted about it before under a different name as I was so concerned about the abuse that we attracted online I really didn't want to associate the gender identity posts with my usual posting name. I need to stick my real head above the parapet now though because trans activists currently control the narrative and all of these people think they're supporting people like my child when they agree with them. It's so hurtful because the women here have been so amazingly supportive when I've posted about our experience and they are the only ones I feel see the true insidious nature of this agenda that is influencing our world.

How is your child now, wappers?

@WappersReturns I’m so utterly upset and angry on your behalf. I hope your child is as happy as they can be now

Or I dunno - why not just call them men and women

That's would seem to be a sensible conclusion!!

wappers

horrendous

Not so great beyond we've gone back and forth between masculine lesbian and trans man a few times now and it's taking its toll. Lots of issues to be unpicked but we're getting help. It just seems that every avenue we try pushes for transition and ignores the huge backstory which complicates things emotionally. It's hard to know where to turn. School just seem to be excited to have another trans child. It feels like we're swimming in glue!

Also as a 20 something year old female with 2 children, who has been told to not have any more children as it would risk my life and my unborn childs life (2 awful pregnancies and 2 awful births). I cannot be steralised as I might "change my mind" and "im too young". However, a child can choose and is actively encouraged to use medication that will steralise and the long term effects are unknown. Its complete madness.