What's with all these transgender threads?!

[pancakequeenisheretosaveyou]

No less than 7 on my active threads?? Is it just me who in real life hasn't encountered any transgender people?? And coming from the professional background that I'm in, I see a pretty varied side of life

Am I missing out on something here??

That definitely sounds like a cut and paste from some MRA website.

Fucking patriarchy eh?

Way to miss the point sweetie.

Yes fucking patriarchy, because women had to fight to get those rights, against men and above and beyond passive women.

There are still many fights to be had, so I hope to god feminists keep going.

Yep, still get killed by men though. Depressingly.

Can't wear provocative clothes, without then being blamed should you end up raped. But hey ho.

I'm fed up to the back teeth of being told what to do and what to think by women who used to be men, and who now demand that what they want trumps everyone else on the planet.

There are plenty out there who don't lay the law down, but they tend to be pretty quiet about it, and just get on with things.

That's women around the world, MasterWu? Forgetting about Ireland, maybe, where women still haven't got the right to decide what to do with their own bodies? The backlash in the US, which has the highest maternal death rate in the developed world?

And what is your point? How is this list even relevant, except to point out how utterly absurd the oppression women used to face were?

Tell me, what is the reason for the huge gap in lifetime earning between men and women?

MasterWu, glad you're back. Can you tell us now if it's women in prison you don't give a shit about or males that want to self identify to access women's prisons?

I'm fed up to the back teeth of being told what to do and what to think by women who used to be men, and who now demand that what they want trumps everyone else on the planet

Truth is most are still men... They don’t want their —cocks— manhood removed. Oh no!

What happened to that bloke who broke into homes to wank into little girls knickers and committed all sorts of violent crimes, including knocking out a barman? The one who went on hunger strike because he demanded to do his time in a women’s prison and have his hair straightners? Is he still alive???

Or have they force fed him because, you know, he has a right to live??

The violent person who knocked the barman's teeth out is suing the prison service, iirc

Though the hunger strike person is someone else. They both had a penchant for breaking into houses and misusing girls clothes though

DianaPrincess, AdultHuman,

Perfect posts. Sums it up so well!! We're letting ourselves be co opted by a tiny minority within a tiny minority. I wish there was more pushback from other trans people. I've encountered some very vocal trans women on social media who defend women's rights, but they get drowned out by the bullies.
Another side in this is the missing voice of trans men in the debate. They're an even smaller minority facing huge discrimination, yet there is no solidarity from TRA I can see.

I don't understand how women can't see what's happening. It's a 4Chan wet dream, women agreeing to be erased.

a colleague (who I'd never have pegged as a mnetter) has just been discussing this thread in the canteen. (I have changed details slightly there so I don't out myself!)

Everyone in agreement that trans people are fabulous in their own right, and should absolutely have a 'third space' and be protected, but their rights should not override women's (or men's in the case of trans identified females). It was a great discussion to listen to.

A number of people were very surprised, and very angry, at how easy it will be to self id, they had no idea this was being proposed. They also had no idea that children, some still primary age, are being transed.

Tara Hudson - person who knocked out barmans teeth with their head, now suing HMP (can't find previous convictions atm)

Marie dean - person on hunger strike

Er just to point out that I'm pretty sure that the whole "born in the wrong body" thing is now transphobic.

If you were born a male but feel female, you need not worry, your cock is now a lady cock so no need to take any pills or have any surgery.
Anyone who disagrees is committing literal violence

MasterWu, glad you're back. Can you tell us now if it's women in prison you don't give a shit about or males that want to self identify to access women's prisons?

Neither. I couldn't give a shit about female prisoners or men who want to be female prisoners. Neither are deserving of having a single penny more of tax payers money spent on them then the bare minimum to keep them alive. (Unfashionable opinion I know)

And what is your point? How is this list even relevant, except to point out how utterly absurd the oppression women used to face were?

It's not my list. Someone earlier on the thread posted it. I was surprised as mumsnet seems convinced we live in a patriarchy. Seems evidence to the contrary, that's all

It is bouncing, there is no such thing as born in the wrong body now, because women can have dicks.

So anyone saying "born in the wrong body" is horrendously transphobic.

"Gary Dean Marie, 42, committed more than 30 offences, including voyeurism, aggravated burglary and assaulting police officers, a court heard yesterday.
Marie, of Lubbock Street, Burnley, was a sexual offender who broke into several homes and filmed himself wearing underwear belonging to teenage girls in Burnley and Padiham, Preston Crown Court was told.
And he also assaulted three police officers using CS gas when they tried to arrest him."
(Lancashire telegraph)

But re Hudson, all info on previous convictions seems to have disappeared?

Only for grown ups though, bouncing and loves

For kids it's All The Surgery And Medication. :(

Master - I know this won't change your opinion, and it's not my place to try and change it but female prisoners have almost always had the most horrific, traumatic lives. I'm not excusing the crimes - just if you've ever been in a women's prison it's a heartbreaking place, packed to the rafters with women who have suffered years of sexual abuse.

Er just to point out that I'm pretty sure that the whole "born in the wrong body" thing is now transphobic. If you were born a male but feel female, you need not worry, your cock is now a lady cock so no need to take any pills or have any surgery.

Absolute fucking insanity, and I rarely swear. You still have a cock, you're still a man and if that makes me transphobic then so be it.

Master is dodging the issue with a shrug because they either don't have an answer or don't want to concede. If they truly didn't care then they wouldn't be having a debate on self ID in the first place.

MasterWu if you had to place the above offenders in male or female prisons which would it be?

MasterWu - to take but a few points on that list of yours.

You can’t be fired or denied a job just because you’re pregnant
And yet many of us still are.

You can choose whether to work or stay home
And yet the majority of stay at home parents are still women, why do you think that is?

Any money you earn is yours to keep
And yet many women are still subjected to financial abuse by the men they live with.

You are no longer property of a man (either your father or your husband)
And yet most women are still "given away" at their weddings by their fathers and also take their husbands' surnames upon marriage.

You can get a divorce
You can get an abortion
And yet we are still subjected to judgment for doing so.

You can use birth control
Yes we can, and we are often forced to use hormonal birth control because the men we sleep with either refuse to use condoms or don't want to get the snip, but also get sulky when they're denied sex.

You can say no to sex
And yet we still get raped. Why is that?

You can choose whether or not to get married
And yet forced marriage is still commonplace. Why is that?

You can enter nontraditional fields of study or career
And yet we are still discriminated within them.

You can walk alone in public
And yet we still often get harassed when doing so.

You can wear pants; you don’t have to follow a dress code
And yet we do. Why do you think that is?

You can choose whether to wear makeup
And yet pretty much all make up is marketed towards women.

You can wear provocative clothing if you want
We can, but if we do and we receive unwanted male attention, then that's our fault.

You can choose whether or not to have children
We can, but our choices are still subjected to rigorous scrutiny one way or the other.

Helped get laws against marital rape
And yet men still rape their wives.

Helped get laws against stalking
And yet women are still stalked.

Helped get laws against child molestation
And yet children are still molested.

Helped get laws against sexual harassment
And yet women still get sexually harassed as a matter of course.

Helped get laws against spousal abuse
And yet four women a week are murdered by a male partner or former partner.

Continued to fight for equal pay for equal work
And yet we still haven't got it.

amp.theguardian.com/society/2018/jan/27/marie-dean-trans-prisoner-male-prison-hunger-strike

This is the one I was thinking of - it seems there are others too. My mistake but FFS! Who in their right mind would find this blokes offences “normal behaviour”?? Hope he manages to starve himself to be honest. He’s a bloke... and a violent pervert at that. He’s no loss!

MasterWu - to take but a few points on that list of yours.

As stated before, it wasn't my list