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What's with all these transgender threads?!

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pancakequeenisheretosaveyou · 14/02/2018 05:43

No less than 7 on my active threads?? Is it just me who in real life hasn't encountered any transgender people?? And coming from the professional background that I'm in, I see a pretty varied side of life Confused

Am I missing out on something here??

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JoyTheUnicorn · 14/02/2018 12:49

BeyondTerfy - I called have written that post.
I can't imagine what my life would be like as an adult, had I been born now and assumed that my dislike of all things "girly" meant that I was actually a boy, and had been pressured through transition.

RaininSummer · 14/02/2018 12:55

HuskyLover - agree with all you said but just to not confuse - Hannah Mouncey is a footballer but your point no doubt stands. There is a boxer but i can't remember their name.

RadioGaGoo · 14/02/2018 12:55

BeyondTerfy. I wouldn't call them transphobic, but then, I wouldn't call myself transphobic. Others would call them/me that though.

TellsEveryoneRealFacts · 14/02/2018 12:56

TellsEveryone. Apologies, it's taken me a while, but I have got there

If it helps , imagine an ancient overweight woman in a cape running around with pompoms.

TenancyTroublesAgain · 14/02/2018 13:01

I agree. Sick of seeing it. That applies to anything which is over-discussed. You'll know what that is.

Huskylover1 · 14/02/2018 13:02

Raininsummer

Apologies, I meant Fallon Fox.

Bobbydeniro69 · 14/02/2018 13:02

Mumsnet is renowed for being Transphobic, and is a safe space for people with such views to air them.

They justify their opinions by screeching that VERY SOON a man will simply be able to say he is a woman, walk into a womans safe space and attack them.

Are all Transgender people angels? no they are not. There are good and bad as with any group.

I am constantly suprised by what is allowed on this site with a view to the subject.

VoleClock · 14/02/2018 13:03

Hi OP, if you are still here and have read all of 'your' thread - the reason is that the possibility of self -id and the way many organisations are now acting as if it has already come into play seem to many women as a fundamental attack on the rights and freedoms of women and girls which could have far reaching and long lasting effects. I hope that seeing 'another trans thread' might just make some Mumsnetters think that maybe it is important issue if so many posters are constantly going on about it and if each thread just helps a few more people to see what is going on ('peak trans'), than that is a great result as far as I am concerned. Thanks for the opportunity....

OvaHere · 14/02/2018 13:04

VERY SOON a man will simply be able to say he is a woman, walk into a womans safe space and attack them.

Well yes that could happen under self ID Hmm

RadioGaGoo · 14/02/2018 13:06

TellsEveryone Grin

Belindabauer · 14/02/2018 13:06

Bobby- why not go to other sites then, see what they have to say on tne issue.

Huskylover1 · 14/02/2018 13:06

They justify their opinions by screeching that VERY SOON a man will simply be able to say he is a woman, walk into a womans safe space and attack them

Because that IS what is on the horizon. Have you been hibernating?

larrygrylls · 14/02/2018 13:07

Bobby,

Why are you so keen on censorship? I wish all sites would allow all reasonable views as long as not personal attacks.

Having said that, recently MN has been very twitchy about a number of views, using every excuse under the sun to delete any controversial opinion.

Shame really as it used to be quite robust.

Huskylover1 · 14/02/2018 13:09

In fact, I'm going to say that it's already happening.

www.lifesitenews.com/news/transgender-female-boxer-gives-female-opponent-concussion-breaks-her-eye-so

Bobbydeniro69 Are you happy with this ^^

birdbandit · 14/02/2018 13:17

The site is called "Mumsnet" the clue is in the name.

There are a lot of women who have had children, who have experienced raising children and who consequently worry about an ideology, which views sterilising children as the only and correct thing to do. That is if the child doesn't fit into the narrow expectations of what they are supposed to like, their personality based upon their genitalia.

"Mums" have also a very real understanding of how their biological reality has has an impact their life. So sexual politics and understanding of "gender" are not abstracts.

JoyTheUnicorn · 14/02/2018 13:19

It's not transphobic to say women don't have penises, and if you think it is you're subscribing to magical thinking.

halfwitpicker · 14/02/2018 13:21

Live in Canada and we don't really have it here yet

BeyondTerfyCassandra · 14/02/2018 13:22

"Screeching". Hmm Yep, totally.

DianaPrincessOfThemyscira · 14/02/2018 13:22

I find it hugely interesting that when I commented on an open Facebook post that females and males are biological realities, humans can’t change sex but I don’t actually care what people do in their lives - I was literally called scum, ignorant, thick. Was jeered at because apparently it’s literally possible for a male to become female or vice versa because intersex conditions exist.

I also find it interesting that as a woman, I’m expected to centre trans women in my feminism. But that at the same time, I am allowed no opinion or thought process around what Transgenderism actually is.

I have no personal skin in this game - but I still stand up for women’s rights. Always. Except, when I’m being threatened to be doxxed for saying the above, and my workplace might actually call it hate speech to point out the biologically fucking obvious - it’s not that possible is it?

So who are the ones losing out here? The women that can’t refuse a male HCP/prison roommate/neighbour in a single-sex dorm/place in a refuge - or the ‘women with penises’ who still have every liberty available to them - including the right to access the above safe spaces?

OvaHere · 14/02/2018 13:23

Live in Canada and we don't really have it here yet

I'm afraid you do

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/3156012-Canada-to-allow-inmates-to-be-housed-according-to-identity

AdultHumanFemale · 14/02/2018 13:30

Apologies for mega post, am passenger on long car journey and currently not speaking to DP Grin
Random , your post made me feel quite emotional. I used to pride myself on being a good trans ally, particularly in support of my trans man nephew, and his circle of friends. My nephew was mercilessly bullied at school for being a gender non conforming lesbian, and has solved the problem by gradually coming to identify as a man. Much happier, and has a surprisingly large peer group of trans identified females in our small town. I have oscillated between feeling so happy that they and their group of friends are able to support each other, and feel happier in their own skins, and also worrying about the long term effects of the blockers and breast binding which proliferate in their circle, as well as, as they are 'coming of age', the transition on to cross sex hormones, which I feel they have sort of been egging each other on about for the last couple of years.
It is with so much reluctance that I have engaged my brain in the uncomfortable task of learning about the 'terfy' side of this coin. Initially, it actually came through reading stuff my nephew was sharing on social media, pertaining to the irrelevance of biology, and having to do more double takes than my brain could keep up with.
Then, being a teacher, who had previously been relaxed and unbothered about the possibility of gender non conformity and trans identified pupils in schools, I began to come across training materials and policies which effectively outlawed reference to biological fact as having any relevance. Someone said right at the start of the thread "They (users on Fem Chat) call people penis-owners." . In my experience, this odd phenomenon has originated not on MN FemChat or in rad fem circles, but with the insistence among those who support trans ideology that biological fact is irrelevant, exclusionary and offensive to trans people. Hence the use of terms such as 'chest feeding', 'prostate owners', 'menstruators' and 'pregnant people'. Whereas I will always use preferred pronouns out of politeness, and not dead name anyone, I draw the line at disregarding chromosomal, binary biology, ie 'trans women are women'.
Someone also poked fun at women worrying about 'being anonymous on Twitter'. There was a WPUK meeting (a meeting to discuss the impact of the GRA (Gender Recognition Act) in my city last week, which was not picketed by trans rights activists, as they had not, despite ardent efforts, been able to find out the location of the meeting. A very vocal, local trans activist group are now relentlessly circulating a photo from the meeting room (showing the panel speakers sitting at a table) , menacingly asking people to come forward if they know where the meeting room is located, so they can hold the owners to account. Once you are familiar with what 'being held to account' by trans rights activists entails (threats, violence and doxxing, which is the awful practice of contacting someone's employer and insisting on their dismissal), you really want to ensure anonymity.
Radio , I get you and I think yours is a fairly common perception.
Skip , mind-bogglingly, in the example you raised, the trans woman having sex using their penis, is using their female penis, as identifying as a woman. This is trans ideology at its trickiest.

DianaPrincessOfThemyscira · 14/02/2018 13:30

@halfwitpicker really? I’m surprised. You haven’t noticed the changes in language to ‘birthing individual’ ‘parent’ not mothers in midwifery literature? m.huffpost.com/us/entry/8131520

Or the young woman who had a GP appointment, asked to change her sex and then went a got a driving licence with ‘male’ on it? (Was an experiment) m.youtube.com/watch?v=gGpZSefYvwM

Or Steph-on-knee? www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/transgender-father-stefonknee-wolscht-who-left-family-to-be-a-six-year-old-girl-uses-childs-play-to-a6775051.html

(Btw not sure if it’s in that article but that awful specimen is lauded as some sort of champion for trans rights).

Sadly, you may not see it in your life but it is happening. And it will have a profound impact on your life in the future.

G120810 · 14/02/2018 13:38

At first look I was agreeing about they should toilet etc then I read a post that spoke about self id and now I agree with that it shouldn't be simple to change gender on paper as anyone can do it no questions asked if u have to go through alot of things to change gender why is it not the same to do it on paper this does put alot of people in danger from potential predators but true transgender people are being lost in this legal change for example going to a male prison when u're trans that must be terrifying the abuse you would get I'm not so sure about the refugees as the women that are traumatized would react badly to this not that I'm saying they shouldn't be offered support but maybe just from other sources so this post is going to confuse alot of people as it's talking about 2 different things maybe that's why people are confused on self id as they are mixing it up with simply sharing a toilet or working next one

MasterWu · 14/02/2018 13:47

You can vote
You can own property
You can legally enter into a contract
You can start your own business
You can get a job outside the home
You can choose a profession other than nun, nurse or teacher
You don’t have to quit working when you get married
You can’t be fired or denied a job just because you’re pregnant
You can choose whether to work or stay home
Any money you earn is yours to keep
You are no longer property of a man (either your father or your husband)
You can get a divorce
You can get an abortion
You can use birth control
You can say yes to sex
You can say no to sex
You can have sex without being married
You can choose who to love (even if that is another woman)
You can choose who to marry (even if that is another woman, in some states)
You can choose whether or not to get married
You can go to college
You can enter nontraditional fields of study or career
You can receive scholarships
You can become a lawyer
You can become a doctor
You can become a head of state
You can become the head of a company
You can serve in the military
You can go into a bar
You can get a tattoo
You can walk alone in public
You can wear pants; you don’t have to follow a dress code
You can choose whether to wear makeup
You can wear provocative clothing if you want
You can choose whether or not to have children
You can choose your own religion
You can choose where you live
You can participate in athletics, even participate in the Olympics
You can ride a horse (women did not used to be able to sit down right on the horse, even side-saddle)
You can march in a protest
Helped get laws against marital rape
Helped get laws against stalking
Helped get laws against child molestation
Helped get laws against sexual harassment
Helped get laws against spousal abuse
Helped get laws against rape and courts that uphold them
Helped get laws for parental leave for both parents
Helped codify basic human rights for women, especially in marriage
Helped draw attention to women’s health issues like breast, ovarian and uterine cancer
Continued to fight for equal pay for equal work

Fucking patriarchy eh?

DianaPrincessOfThemyscira · 14/02/2018 13:50

Shouldn’t you be on a MGTOW forum somewhere, spitting bile about how women have it so good these days they should count their fucking blessings and just put up with any systematic injustices?

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