To find this offensive? No whites allowed

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www.google.co.uk/amp/www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/2018/02/12/wellness-retreat-in-costa-rica-that-bans-white-people-sparks-controversy.amp.html

I don't live an America, and I have no experience of racism in America, I somewhat understand the desire to have a "safe space" or a space to hold conversation around the issues, however the lady running it "eliminated all white people from her personal life" doesn't think white people should own passports etc

That's a lot of negativity for a "healing" retreat

The empowerment part... yeah, but the self segregation? Travelling backwards rather than forwards somewhat surely?!

The accusation of "Muslim bashing", cherry.

I am not trying to detract from the serious and disgusting attacks on the girls in Rotherham. And I would be happy if the men were put away for the rest of their lives.

But the way people always come back to this topic and let it dominate any discussion about racism is appalling whataboutery.

What do black women have to do with the Muslim men who perpetrated the attacks?

The discussion has progressed from being specifically about this black woman.

I'm the OP and I never actually intended for it to be only about this woman. I deliberately titled my post in a somewhat clickbaiting way hoping for debate and discussion. There's been some very interesting discussion and exploration and it's certainly challenged my views throughout the thread.

Rotherham has come up as a poster has shared an experience where she was personally attacked in a horrific way and her being white was part of that attack. (As well as being entirely relevant to the discussion anyhow imo)

I wouldn't say it's evolved, rather that it has been forced to make a turn.

Beansonpost posted yesterday about her experiences as a black woman travelling but no one has engaged with her or sympathised with her.

People are not interested in understanding what minorities face, it's all about how can we bring this around to show that white people are oppressed.

And for the Irish republican who complained about being questioned in a U.K. airport, try facing that in every airport around the world.

A PP dismissed a reference to Mugabe's treatment of white people as a straw man.

And now you think a reference to Asian/African men's treatment of white girls is "Muslim bashing".

But you don't want to detract from the seriousness of what happened or to shut down the debate? What sort of example would be acceptable to you?

I could tell you some of the cat-calling comments and about the unwanted groping that my friend and I experienced as students living in south London? Those men made it very clear what they thought of young white girls and what they were for - my friend who is blonde and rather curvaceous of bum ended up living in long skirts because jeans were just too provocative. Fucking jeans! It made her really nervous and miserable walking past certain pubs/shops. I remember one guy who refused to leave me alone all night because apparently "you white girls give head".... Jesus.

None of that gets close to scratching the surface of what has been done historically, of course it doesn't. But it's not at all pleasant, and it shows how we were perceived based on no more than skin colour.

(What this thread does do, more and more IMO, is highlight that many more of the issues lie with men than with women - is that fair?)

And now you think a reference to Asian/African men's treatment of white girls is "Muslim bashing".

Please stop putting words in my mouth. I didn't say that. But I do think the tone of the thread, where a poster said that all Muslim men see white girls as fair game is Muslim bashing. It's patently untrue and tainting all Muslims with the same brush is Muslim bashing.

Well most people are not denying racism exists... that's not the debate cherry

I don't think I've seen many posts if any saying that black people don't experience racism?

Whereas there have been a lot saying white people cant (why it's become debated)

I didn't see the post you referred to; if it says what you say it does, then yes that post is most certainly incorrect. But the thread overall hasn't descended into anything of the sort.

How about this charmer, who told his teenage victim she couldn't be a virgin because she was white?

www.google.co.uk/amp/metro.co.uk/2018/02/09/rapist-told-woman-cant-virgin-white-attacked-7298404/amp/

How is that not a racist view?

And people need to stop attributing comments from PPs to me.

Of course white people can be the victims of racism and racism exists around the world.

But let's concentrate on the UK where a lot of us live.

Racism for minorities is endemic. It's ingrained in education, in employment, in daily life.

E.g. A BAME person has to apply for an average of 16 jobs before being called to an interview. White people only have to apply for 9.

BAME people get paid 13% less than white colleagues for the same jobs.

Their bonuses are a third less than white colleagues.

These are just a few examples.

White people for the most part don't want to acknowledge this and this is why it's so frustrating that discussion always come back to Rotherham, as if it makes everything equal. It doesn't.

I'm going to have to go do some work annoyingly.

Just to be clear if the thread continues much... my offence is the idea that self segregation is what we all need to heal from racism.

The need for a safe space is not offensive to me, it did catch my attention. Most places don't advertise they ban... they advertise who the service they're marketing is for rather than who it isn't.

The promotion of permanent segregation as a better way of life - that's the part I'm personally scared by and disagree with.

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What about Oxfam country director for Haiti, Roland van Hauwerneiren, and centre of sexual exploitation scandal, being given a 'phased and dignified' exit from Oxfam?

At least the men in your link was jailed?

There are lots of white abusers at Oxfam but they will go free.

It's patently untrue and tainting all Muslims with the same brush is Muslim bashing

And when the woman in the OP is tainting all Whites with the same brush, what is that?

Justanotherlurker

The founder of the retreat has left the USA to get away from white people. It's not discriminating to white people to hide yourself from them. I think white women would be perfectly entitled to set up a retreat just for white women who have experienced racism. I think it's sad that that's what it has come to, but is it any different to a lot of Brits who move to Australia because they don't agree with multiculturalism in the UK?

I think her point about micro aggressions and passive aggressiveness is valid. BAME people do experience this, even in the workplace.

NotASingleFuckToGive Fuck... that’s awful, I have no words. What a cunt.

itsmeimcathyivecomehome I’ve had the comment about giving head said to me.

Doesn't bother me!

A safe retreat for non white people is totally valid, as white people have caused a lot of hurt historically. Her language is very vitriolic, certainly, but she is allowed to vent. It's not as if she's able to take away white people's passports, is it?

I don't really see a problem.

Lizzie48 why are white people from the present being blamed for the past? I had no hand in what happened. Not ALL white peoole are bad just like not ALL black people steal. Having a space for themselves is fine though, as long as white people arent called racist if they do the same.

No one is saying that all white people are to blame. But the problem is that you have Donald Trump spouting racist ideas today, not in the past. A wall to keep Mexicans out of the US?? The things he said about Costa Ricans?? A ban on Muslims entering the US?? You also have police targeting black youths in the US. This is why there is so much anger.

You could call her language discriminatory, true, but we need to blame Donald Trump more than anyone else imo.

Not ALL white peoole are bad just like not ALL black people steal.

I don't think it's the same thing for a white woman for example to set up a retreat to heal the pain caused by discrimination to white women from black people...

The lady who's set up the retreat has identified a need, that she feels able to offer a service for

I just don't think that need as such exists in white women in general, therefore it's not an equal opposite

If we were talking about a specific group such as the Rotherham girls and a need for healing from the pain caused by Muslim men then yes. Holding a retreat only open to abused Rotherham girls - valid

But white women in general no there isn't that need to meet (healing the pain caused by racism)

BUT

I find the generalisation that white people are bad (most aren't, although there's still racism in our structures and systems that needs addressing in the west) and segregation as a way of life an offensive idealogy, especially when used in terms of "healing"

I know what I wrote looks stupid. Just as stupid as saying all white people are bad. Neither is right to say. Would you like to expand on your reaction? Kind of hard to understand just one emoticon.

I find the generalisation that white people are bad (most aren't, although there's still racism in our structures and systems that needs addressing in the west) and segregation as a way of life an offensive idealogy, especially when used in terms of "healing"

How can black women have an honest discussion about the racism they face if there are white people there? It's not possible, they will feel inhibited and may even seek to appease the white people there.