To find this offensive? No whites allowed

[chipvinegar]

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I don't live an America, and I have no experience of racism in America, I somewhat understand the desire to have a "safe space" or a space to hold conversation around the issues, however the lady running it "eliminated all white people from her personal life" doesn't think white people should own passports etc

That's a lot of negativity for a "healing" retreat

The empowerment part... yeah, but the self segregation? Travelling backwards rather than forwards somewhat surely?!

I don't know why the experience that you went through was anything but racist as well as abusive. The abuse had a racist undertone, and you were the oppressed, whist your attacker was the oppressor and was in a position of power.

In a society where we are all treated equally by the law, such as the UK, I think it is a bit dangerous to start effectively splitting racism into different categories - it's essentially saying that if it's against white people, it's a lesser view to hold, because white people have had more power historically/have it globally. Therefore white people matter less. And that's how you get situations like Rotherham (the buttock branding is horrifying; I hadn't read about that).

Where does that lead to - in a situation where a white person discriminates against a black person, it's one thing, but if it's the black person discriminating against a white person, it's another?

And if you're going to say it's equally bad, then why split it?

I agree with what PPs have said: the resort is fine and if the owner had simply said, "it's a place for black women to heal/find themselves/relax etc", that would be great. But by saying that she's found happiness by removing white people from her personal life, and by saying that all white people should stay at home because they've done enough damage, she's ruined it and shown herself to be racist.

If Quack was black and her boyfriend white, and acting like this, it most definitely would be seen as racist, so why is it different because she is white, and her abuser is black . She is still oppressed because of her lack of power.

In a society where we are all treated equally by the law, such as the UK

Totally itsme, you have explained it very well, its a very dangerous road to go down. The anti racism laws we have in the UK, stipulate that any racism is not acceptable, not just certain racism, we are seen as all equal.

Go on then Gruach - cite a modern law that says discrimination on any basis is fine!

(Being treated by society is a different issue. And one that can cut both ways in really fucking shit ways, as examples on the thread show.)

Gruach
Agree.
We are only equal on paper. In reality, disparity is all around us.
If it was, we wouldn’t have 1/3 of black people who have been arrested in the U.K. (most of them released of curse but only after they’ve had their finger prints taken....)
We wouod have many more black students at Oxbridge, more black people as MPs, at the head of companies etc etc etc.

I think it’s very important to to think that because, on paper, we all equals, thatnits i actually the case for all. That stands for black people but also women, ethnic minorities and nowdays about European citizens (whi for example are refused current accounts, struggle to get a place to rent etc...).

You said 'treated equally' - and you don't need me to elaborate.

But it is also incredibly easy to construct legislation that impacts more negatively on one group than another.

Oh btw on a law POV, the law is the same for everyone but look at the US where the vast majority of inmates are blacks. The law is applied in a much harsher way with them and than with white People.
I’m pretty sure I’ve read a similar thing here.
Or you can look at what is happening now with the immigration service an the HO sending people back ‘to their home countries’ even though they are legally living here. OR the HO isn’t actually giv8ng them access to a lawyervetc...
Or you ca;look at the fact that black are more likely to be stopped an dsearch/arrested.

The fact the law is the same doesn’t mean it’s applied the same....

Yes on paper and in law we are all equal, but in reality not. Rotherham is an example of how it can be the other way round. Various factors made the victims oppressed and vulnerable, they were children, they were girls and where whit as well as being non Muslim.

Indeed the powers that be can often be oppressive to whites. A friend wore a revealing top and jacket through airport security with no intention of taking her jacket off. Muslim in full abbaya goes through before her. Friend told to remove jacket.

What utter bollocks. If the woman in the abaya has been wearing a jacket she wouldn't have been asked to take the off as well.

Even men are asked to take off coats and jackets. It's because you can conceal things in them and need to be checked.

And how typical that a thread about black women wanting a safe space turns into a Muslim bashing thread.

Well done for the whataboutery.

cherry wtaf!!! It's a fact, and it's attitude like this from agencies meant to protect, that allowed this abuse to continue!

cherry a black woman not only wanting a safe space but with very offensive views!

I feel that one day, white people will be oppressed because apparently we deserve it. We are being held accountable for actions out of our control. Even if we weren’t raised as racist we should feel that we are. Because apparently according to someone up thread, we are ALL racist in some way 🙄

I think this is a dangerous place to fall into and it's very easily fallen into when it's made personal.

There is systemic racism, it's undeniable... it's much easier to die in custody or the MH system if you're a black male than anybody else. White young people often get shorter sentences for more horrific crime etc.

On the other hand, average white Joe isn't doing anything to be racist, so being held accountable feels unfair.

The Black is Beautiful movement or Black Lives Matter is not the equal opposite side to "White supremacy" but it's easy to assume so when you haven't experienced obvious racism towards black people you know. And thus people fall into the assumption that saying "black is beautiful" means "white is not" (because that's what it means when white supremacists do it)

I personally find this woman's comments offensive and the idea of "healing" via someone so angry with her idealogy of self segregation a dangerous idea.

But I also dislike the idea of segregation whoever promotes it and find it offensive. Richard Spencer's desire for an "ethno state" is the same dangerous idealogy in my book

Everyone has lost their identity right now... and they're mad. Because a black person can be proud to be black now... white people are wondering why they can't be "proud to be white" but it's just not from the same place but hijacked by white supremacists or nationalists and presented to average Joe as being so by them.

Getting "even" isn't the answer, we've all come many years on and for the most part co-exist peacefully in the UK and most believe the colour of skin should have no impact on your life opportunities. It still does though and more progress is needed.

What I find offensive is the idea that self segregation is the only way for us to heal. No... it's a surefire way backwards in time.

Black supremacist idealogy sadly feeds the average (white) Joe imho what it needs to feel aggreived enough to move towards white supremacy. I'm not sure this happens as such the other way round, of course if you have personal experience and maybe this lady did, I wouldn't know... of white supremacy within the average white folk you encounter in life it pushes you to black supremacy but personally I feel it's systemic rather than in the average person and the white supremacists are as despised by average Joe white folk, until... they are personally told to feel guilty and less for something that is within our systems and needs tackling on that level.

We use the word dark for example to refer to evil. And light to refer to good. It's a much deeper problem that needs addressing and won't change in a day...

So it's not Muslim bashing, it's a fact!

The abaya comment fair enough, but are you including the comments about what happened in Rotherham in that accusation, Cherry?

Because it's attitudes like that, and the fear of being seen as a basher (not that Islam is a race!), which were partly responsible for nobody doing anything about it for far too long.

nobody's race exempts them from treating somebody else badly based on theirs. However, historically white men have treated other races (and women) worse than most, and have some difficult questions to answer now IMO.

Chip - great post

But what has it got to do with OP's thread, which is about black women feelig the need to self segregate?

Every time someone posts a thread that white people feel attacks them, they turn it around to the bogeyman du jour - Muslims.

Forget the fact that the majority of pedophiles are white men, yes, let's just attack Muslims to deflect attention from white racism.

The abaya comment fair enough, but are you including the comments about what happened in Rotherham in that accusation, Cherry?

What accusation?

I think the Rotherham example comes up because it IS an example of exploiting and abusing WHITE (mostly, I know there's been mentioned one exception at least) girls.

I realise Muslims are the bogeyman frequently ATM but in a thread where the question has been asked and discussion held over whether it's possible for reverse racism to exist... it's a fairly relevant recent topic to discuss and not exactly plucked out of the air

So a thread must only follow one point and the conversation must never evolve at all? Come on, you know that's not true.

This has become a discussion about how races treat one another. Rotherham is an example of mostly young white girls being treated badly because they were seen as inferior by virtue of being white. Some posters say that still can't be racism because whites cannot be victims of racism. Rotherham is an example of what, if not racism against white girls by Asian and African men? That's why it's been raised.

it's certainly not unique to Muslims to see white girls as inferior sluts, and nobody said it was.

Resorting to that old chestnut, cherry, your posts are insulting to the victims of Rotherham, who suffered due to their culture. But hey change it round to white people why don't you.

It's attitudes like cherry, that led to the Rotherham abuse. Yes discussions evolve and widen.