To find this offensive? No whites allowed

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www.google.co.uk/amp/www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/2018/02/12/wellness-retreat-in-costa-rica-that-bans-white-people-sparks-controversy.amp.html

I don't live an America, and I have no experience of racism in America, I somewhat understand the desire to have a "safe space" or a space to hold conversation around the issues, however the lady running it "eliminated all white people from her personal life" doesn't think white people should own passports etc

That's a lot of negativity for a "healing" retreat

The empowerment part... yeah, but the self segregation? Travelling backwards rather than forwards somewhat surely?!

One for the UK:

www.oyaretreats.com

What's imo ... upsetting (concerning?) are her other statements. Not the existence of the spa

Statements which I notice are still being generally ignored on here ...

It's very reductive treating people as a colour first and foremost rather than a person.

There are reasons why you usually only hear white people say
"I don't see colour, just people"
and
"we're all the same in the inside"

PancakeInMaBelly

Nobody has disbelieved the woman in the story.

They have criticised her for making offensive, racist statements about white people.

Statements which I notice are still being generally ignored on here ..
Several of us discussed the passport statement down thread....

Statements which I notice are still being generally ignored on here ...

I agree.

I've read several arguments about why the spa is needed / beneficial etc.

There are a few comments about the "passport-statement".

But very few / hardly any comments about how she wants white people to stay at home and mix with other white people...

White people should just stay home and hang out with other white people; you've done enough damage"

I assume the x at the end of her name is a reference to Malcolm X? Didn't he massively change his views near the end of his life?

But very few / hardly any comments about how she wants white people to stay at home and mix with other white people

Because for some of us it is self-evident that the women in the video are tired of having to deal with and live with white people.

It's racist and divisive.

Because for some of us it is self-evident that the women in the video are tired of having to deal with and live with white people.

She's still pro-segregation.

Which makes her leading / creating a healing retreat potentially... worrying.

@NotASingleFuckToGive
Why wouldn't she? ... why does he feel the need to wear that into work? It's a professional place, not somewhere for that kind of political exhibition. But I doubt you would even begin to comprehend how she must feel to be sat next to someone that holds the views of a very clearly racist president. Btw she is senior to him.

Another friend of mine works for a hedge fund and felt very scared when trump won the election... because well racism.. should she not get a safe space? Should she not be allowed to go on a retreat with only black people who can and will understand? She's also been a victim of racial profiling... when she goes into stores with her white friends her credit card is the only that gets "checked"... and she went to what is considered an all white university... but I'm pretty sure people on here would say it can't be all white if a black woman manage to get in... but she was one of two black students.

How many of you walk around with people wanting to "touch your hair" or asking where you are from? Or saying how exotic you look? Or my favourite commenting on how good your English is... because as a black person you can't possibly speak our language! Until you have to deal with these things in your everyday life... you wouldn't understand why someone would want to spend time away from it with people who have a shared experience.

Black people need to support black businesses... that's how white people have managed to own retail... they support their own. Black people tend not to trust most black owned businesses because it has been drilled into us it will be of inferior quality etc. It's nothing against white people but it's building brands that cater to our own very distinctive and specific needs... and there is nothing wrong with that. Retail etc is for everyone, but as we know not everything is suitable for black people... skin tones, body shapes etc. There just aren't enough being made because once again the world is skewed towards a white ideal. Of course everyone is welcome to try everything... but we must acknowledge the facts.

There are already "no black holiday" retreats. It's not stated so overtly but they do exist. But if you are not black you wouldn't know that your very skin colour means you are NOT welcomed into many places even in 2018!

I wonder how many of you in your life have ever walked around a shop with security or staff following you? Or been questioned about your ability to purchase the goods you are looking on? Or have police called on you because your card managed to pay for your goods but the store assumes your card must be stolen because no black person could afford that... or you walk into a store GAP and the jacket you walked in wearing is removed because they want to check the tag... to make sure you didn't steal it... 😐.

There are also white only spaces... I don't see many people complaining about that. Take for instance politics... do you really think a very very conservative person welcomes people of colour... I don't! It's done for the token factor and the we are being inclusive etc. There are many public institutions exactly like this... but you don't hear many white people complaining about this because it serves their interests.

Well it gets exhausting being TOLD that your experiences arent accurate by people who experience things differently to you
How much do you really have to learn from being told over and over that your experiences arent valid?I

I get the sense that this 'I experience things differently than you' has become a way of shutting people down when they probe you for more objective indicators of racism.

You might consider that part of Trump's base is considerably disadvantaged themselves, having been severely fucked by the decline of manufacturing, and they might have sincere enthusiasm for some of his 'Make America Great Again' ideology. I don't think your analysis of the hat situation is sound.

Because for some of us it is self-evident that the women in the video are tired of having to deal with and live with white people.
With white peole or she is tired of living with the crap behaviour of people who happen to be white???

With white peole or she is tired of living with the crap behaviour of people who happen to be white???
"there's good people and bad people in every group"

America is a weird place. New York not so much but LA was certainly race segregated. I didn't realise this and drove for miles looking for somewhere to eat. Went into a fried chicken place and made an order. Everyone was looking at me and then I realised I was literally the only white person in there. The woman serving me raised an eyebrow at me and asked "to take out, yes?". I wasn't welcome and I'd never, ever experienced that before. I didn't know race segregation on either side still happened in America.

America is majority white though (now of course we could debate how that came to be, but that's a whole and v different question!). It's about 62% non Hispanic white, or 250,000,000 white people. Can you realistically live there as a minority and say you don't want to live with or near white people?

What would happen if a white person moved to Nigeria and then said they were sick of living with black people/black people were in all the positions of power/represented more on TV, etc, and tried to open a whites only hotel? They wouldn't get very far (in 2018 anyway) and rightly so!

The reasons why this lady feels like this are very very difficult and society needs to start facing up to some very ugly truths, I think. But promoting segregation is surely not the way to start flushing those out?

it's building brands that cater to our own very distinctive and specific needs

And you can. But you have to prove that need exists and is distinctive. So, for example, companies which make products or give services which cater specifically to black people (for example cosmetics, hair care) are okay. Public services - there are some services which are race specific, sickle cell, heart care services which are aimed at people from the Asian subcontinent - all okay.

But you can't start putting labels on cosmetics saying 'Not for sale to white people'. You can turn away a customer because you don't have the training to cut Caucasian hair. You can't turn them away because you don't serve white people. You can turn white people away from a health service because they don't need it. You can't turn them away because they're white.

That is the problem with this woman's business. She is not providing a service unsuitable for white people, she is discriminating on the basis of race.

And since you ask about discrimination, I lived in Tower Hamlets, discrimination against white people was rife there under Lufther Rahman. If you wanted anything done by the council you had to do it via local connections centred on mosques which basically ruled out almost all white people. You got charged double from the shops and stalls and regularly got told to 'get out of here, it's a Muslim area'. Similarly in Hackney there was a letting agency which would not let to white people (they would make appointments and just not turn up if they thought you had the wrong name) and shops and restaurants which would suddenly run out of stock if a white person tried to buy even though you could see the item in front of you.

And you know what all that does? It make people walk away feeling like they now have the right to discriminate themselves. It does nobody any good.

If minority groups start segregating based on the colour of skin, how will racism ever end? I personally don't care if they want to do it, I can't pretend to understand why they want to (I am white). But how can racism ever stop if white people are told the below

"No white people are allowed here, it's not racism though because you are too privileged to understand"

That WILL build resentment (Trump, some of the Brexit voters etc), which fuels anger, which in turn leads to more racism and discrimination!

Its a ludicrous cycle of hate which shouldn't be allowed IN ANY WAY in this day and age. Humans = Homo-sapiens = Humans, there is no race.

yes if black only spaces are fine can we not have a white only space?

(i am not a white woman before anyone screams at me i am 1/4 native American so of mixed race and i believe she is still being racist all this no power = not racism is just to excuse racist beliefs and its just a dangerous concept.

For example a black person was racially abusing a BiL who is a Lakȟóta (so native American) The person in question said this was not rasicim because she was black and we all know black people cannot be racist because the motto of black lives matter is racism is on racism when the person / people have the power ignoring the fact that Black people actually have more agency and were / still are treated much better then the First nation peoples.

Some of the worst racists i have encountered are in fact none white people the worst examples being from people of the Indian sub continent racially abusing another group from the Indian sub continent and how some black Americans treat Latino people (and by extension native Americans).

Lets not even get started on the race / tribe wars in Africa which is mostly ignored because only white people can be racist.....

I was brought spelling it 'moslem'. That spelling used to be the normal way to spell it.

Threads on here over the last few days have made it clear that people were also brought up saying "chnky" and "pki" like it was nothing, and still can't see any problem with it. Doesn't make it right.

In Arabic, the way the West (especially Americans) pronounce "moslem" translates to "one who is evil and unjust". The Media Council of the Muslim Committee of Britain spent 2 years asking the Daily Mail to stop writing "Moslem" before it actually stopped. People regard it as a term of abuse.

Look at the sort of person who uses "Moslem" online. Islam may not be a race, but if you're happy to be associated by vocabulary with the likes of Britain First, it's not a great stretch of the imagination that some might assume you're probably racist as well as deliberately offensive towards Muslims.

(Trump,some many of the Brexit voters etc)

Corrected that for you.

That WILL build resentment

That is spectacular. White people getting all hurt because black people treating white people as white people treat them.

yes if black only spaces are fine can we not have a white only space?

American Football stadiums when black players protest at the shooting of unarmed black kids are very much white only spaces.

YassQueen

I had seen that spelling online and ignorantly thought that it was an old fashioned 'correct and proper' way of saying Muslim. I am so glad I have never used it to try and make myself come across as clever

That is spectacular. White people getting all hurt because black people treating white people as white people treat them.

Scottishdiem - I completely agree with you, but it is human nature isn't it? A lot of white people have a victim mentality.