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If you had money to burn, would you use a surrogate?

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Hippiesip · 12/02/2018 16:42

Say you're having difficulty TTC a second or third child, would you pay for an American surrogate if you simply didn't want to wait/go through the pregnancy?

I think I would. I loved creating my son but pregnancy was extremely difficult for me mentally and emotionally. I would rather not doing it again, but still growing our family.

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bananafish81 · 12/02/2018 19:30

My womb is too damaged to sustain a pregnancy

I would give anything in the world to be able to carry my own child

But after 4 cycles of IVF, 6 cancelled cycles, £50,000 of fertility treatment, 2 pregnancies, 2 miscarriages, 3 surgeries and seeing the world's leading experts in infertility and miscarriage, I have been told I cannot carry a child and the only way for us to turn one of our frozen embryos into a person is if we transfer one into someone else's womb

I cannot express the extent to which I feel like a total failure as a woman, because I can't do what I'm supposed to be able to do as a biological woman

My body couldn't keep our babies alive. I am quite literally barren

Coming to terms with the fact I will never be able to carry our child has been devastating. That I will never be able to feel our baby kick inside me, that someone else would be nurturing our baby with their body and feeling their movements - and knowing that the law means that they are the legal mother of our child - is very tough emotionally. Accepting that my pregnancies which failed are as close as I will ever get to this.

I have had the privilege of getting to know a number of women who love being surrogates. Commercial surrogacy is illegal in this country so surrogates cannot be paid for carrying a pregnancy. You can't simply throw cash at a woman. Surrogates in the UK can only do surrogacy for expenses only - meaning expenses directly incurred as a result of the pregnancy, so that they're not left out of pocket (eg loss of earnings, childcare, maternity clothes, travel to clinic or midwife appointments)

Surrogacy in the UK is altruistic and based in friendship and trust. There is no legally enforceable agreement between the surrogate and the intended parents. The surrogate goes on the birth certificate until a parental order is granted and a new birth certificate can be issued

Surrogates hold the power - they are the ones who choose intended parents to match with, not the reverse

As IPs you can't just throw money at a surrogate. A surrogate chooses you.

It is illegal to facilitate a match or advertise for a surrogate, so matches come from friendships between surrogates and IPs

I have had the privilege of knowing a number of surros from the UK surrogacy community - including one very special lady who is very keen to match with us. She has 4 children of her own and has wanted to be a surro for many years now. She has been sterilised by personal choice as she doesn't want any more children of her own, but she absolutely loves being pregnant and says that she cannot imagine life without her children, and desperately wants to be able to help couples like us to have their own families. Her ambition is to do 4 surrogacy journeys (ie 4 pregnancies) - one for each of her own children

Other surros I know have done several journeys already - one was desperate to be pregnant again just a week after having given birth to her 4th surro baby!

Women do it out of incredible generosity and kindness, and a desire to help others.
It is from a profoundly humbling place. I am in awe of the surrogates and amazing stories in the UK surrogacy community. It isn't based in vulnerable exploitation but a profoundly moving bond between surros and IPs

I would spend it on high quality health care, foods, and any other help that I can think of that would enable me to have a healthy pregnancy.

I've spent over £50,000 on trying to have a healthy pregnancy. Sadly not everyone's womb can be fixed by high quality healthcare. We have 5 frozen embryos left that no amount of foods will help me to carry any of these to term. Do you know of a solution that will enable me to have a healthy pregnancy that specialists on both sides of the Atlantic say do not exist? I'd love to hear about them. It sounds very easy from what you've said. Please do enlighten me.

If I cpuldn't conceive I would look at adoption. It's not easy I know but there are so many kids that need a home.

There are many more prospective adopters than there are children to be adopted. Most parents wouldnt get approved to be adoptive parents to their own children. It's not just not easy. It doesn't matter how much love you have to give, many many couples are rejected as adopters for a multitude of reasons. Such as being self employed. Or working. Or having any health issues. Or not having family close by. Or not having a garden. These are all reasons that couples on the surrogacy groups I'm on have been rejected by adoption panels

Surrogacy is only ever a matter of last resort. I am glad that those of you who see fit to judge intended parents like me and my husband were able to have your own families and won't ever need to be in a situation where you can't carry your own child. It's very easy to say what you would or wouldn't do when you haven't had to stand in someone else's shoes

mustbemad17 · 12/02/2018 19:31

That expenses are checked when the PO paperwork goes through. How thoroughly depends on the CAFCASS officer. I know surrogates of multiple journies that keep every single receipt because their CAFCASS officer has picked apart their expenses.

Contracts are not legally binding but they go a long way to show intent in court. A surrogate who was pregnant when i was decided to keep her baby. It went to court & the IPs were awarded full custody.

floriad · 12/02/2018 19:31

I still see my surrobub, who will be three in August. Her dads are the kindest people you will ever meet, they are amazing parents. They took such good care of me & my DD through our journey, which was highlighted by our CAFCASS officer & the PO judge. They aren't bad people & believe me they aren't rich with money to throw away. They wanted a family, as many of us do.

Idk, maybe I'm selfish.

But this sounds beautiful. There's nothing wrong with this imo.

LanaKanesTerfyVagina · 12/02/2018 19:33

If a surrogate went ahead knowing they had shit pregnancies i'd question it

But thats my point.

You can't possibly predict how a pg will go, even if previous ones have been fine.

What about childbirth??

formerbabe · 12/02/2018 19:33

I wonder if the baby feels any psychological trauma at being separated from the person who carried and gave birth to them?

mustbemad17 · 12/02/2018 19:35

Bananafish lovely post. I hope you find your match & experience an amazing journey. Before i became a surrogate i never fully understood the heartache couples go through to try & have a family, it opened my eyes massively. I am more than ever greatful for the child i have, and the one on his way.

I don't regret my experience as a surrogate. I am proud as punch to say that speaking about my journey encouraged three other ladies i knew to do the same, with immense results. And two are going again.

Amortentia · 12/02/2018 19:35

The thing that irritates me most in these kind of discussions is that the main focus is on someone’s need for a baby. The fact that that baby is a person too and has a right to know where they came from is important.

We’ve changed they way sperm doners now have to accept that the child can be informed of their identity, because children who have been conceived in this way want to know. Now we’re at a point in using other women’s eggs, wombs, and possibly changing birth certificates to the benefit of the parents and not the child. It’s selfish madness.

LanaKanesTerfyVagina · 12/02/2018 19:36

bananafish
I'm so so sorry for what you are going through.
Please don't think I'm just piling in and being shitty for the sake of it.

Flowers

I'm sorry but I stand by my opinion.

And I know I come at this from a privileged position.

mustbemad17 · 12/02/2018 19:38

But Lana surely in that case every woman who has a second pregnancy is selfish? Because it will impact on her family if she has a shit one. You & your partner might have chosen a second baby, so you accept the hits, but what about your firstborn? The impact to him/her wouldn't be something they chose.
(sorry using 'you' as a generalisation not you personally).

Floriad it truly was amazing. Three surrogates i know have recently had surrobabies, & we all get teary eyed about how bloody amazing it is when each announcement is made.

LizzieMacQueen · 12/02/2018 19:39

Slippery slope when 'celebrities' (I can think of 2) fashion it as the norm.

But in answer to your question, no I wouldn't use a surrogate.

mustbemad17 · 12/02/2018 19:40

Amortentia there is still that possibility for a child to trace the birth mother with surrogacy (in the UK at least). So no different to sperm donation in that sense. My surrobub has a new BC issued to remove my name as mother but her original is still kept on file too.

ItsNachoCheese · 12/02/2018 19:40

If i couldnt have another baby naturally or if ivf had been tried and didnt work then i would use a surrogate if i had that kind of money.

dissapointedafternoon · 12/02/2018 19:40

Its not exploitation if someone is willing to do it.

This isn't a valid argument

dissapointedafternoon · 12/02/2018 19:41

As in it's not valid to say it's exploiting someone if you use them as a surrogate. They willingly do it and they are paid.

Jaygee61 · 12/02/2018 19:41

I wasn’t able to have my own child but donor gametes snd surrogacy were a step too far for us.

stitchglitched · 12/02/2018 19:42

Mustbemad whose name is now mother on her BC then?

mustbemad17 · 12/02/2018 19:42

Lana i just want to say i don't think you're being shitty or obtuse or anything like that. I know my view is different sided to Bananafish's but i genuinely like hearing people's views on this. I'm obviously stupidly biased because of my experience, and also because of what i've witnessed in the surrogacy world...it can be exceptionally bitchy & cut throat at times believe it or not!!!

formerbabe · 12/02/2018 19:43

I have been torn to shreds on here (not this particular thread) and called a bigot for my opinions on this issue. I am firstly not homophobic, I'm 100% pro gay marriage and am not against gay people adopting if that's the right family for a child to be placed with. I am however incredibly uncomfortable at the idea of two men using a surrogate, not because I think they will be unsuitable parents (I'm sure two men are just as capable of being good and loving parents as anyone) but because I believe it is immoral to purposefully create a child with the knowledge that it won't have a mother.

mustbemad17 · 12/02/2018 19:43

Stitched she now has Parent 1 & Parent 2, because she has two dads. In a heterosexual couple i believe it remains 'mother' & 'father'

floriad · 12/02/2018 19:44

but because I believe it is immoral to purposefully create a child with the knowledge that it won't have a mother.

Do you feel the same way about lesbians having a child with donor sperm?

stitchglitched · 12/02/2018 19:44

I don't understand how a birth certificate can omit the woman who gave birth to that child.

stitchglitched · 12/02/2018 19:46

Formerbabe I am someone whose mother died whilst I was still a baby and I agree with you. Having no memory of or relationship with the woman who gave birth to me has affected me profoundly.

mustbemad17 · 12/02/2018 19:47

Does that work the other way? Single women or lesbian couples using sperm donors? Or single women who have ONS to deliberately conceive a baby?

LanaKanesTerfyVagina · 12/02/2018 19:47

mustbemad thank you.

I would hate for people, especially people struggling with infertility, or surrogates themselves, to think I was being arsey or goady or mean for sake of it.

Regardless of strongly held opinions, I'm a huge fan of respectful debate.

LanaKanesTerfyVagina · 12/02/2018 19:50

See and I don't agree with formerbabe

I don't think it's right to make distinctions like that, or generalisations.

I'm just deeply uncomfortable with the whole concept of surrogacy.