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If you had money to burn, would you use a surrogate?

476 replies

Hippiesip · 12/02/2018 16:42

Say you're having difficulty TTC a second or third child, would you pay for an American surrogate if you simply didn't want to wait/go through the pregnancy?

I think I would. I loved creating my son but pregnancy was extremely difficult for me mentally and emotionally. I would rather not doing it again, but still growing our family.

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BubbleAndSquark · 12/02/2018 22:03

No, I had 3 awful pregnancies and one was severely prem and another 8 weeks early but even though I know my body doesn't do pregnancy well I couldn't do it, I would feel like I was taking another woman's baby away from her even if it was genetically mine.
Also wouldn't want to not be able to breastfeed.

mustbemad17 · 12/02/2018 22:03

Dr yes but different countries have been discussed, you didn't specify the US. Apologies

bananafish81 · 12/02/2018 22:06

Thank you Lana - I very much appreciate healthy reasoned debate, and I very much welcome hearing different points of view on the subject. And I very much appreciate your kindness too.

The thing that irritates me most in these kind of discussions is that the main focus is on someone’s need for a baby. The fact that that baby is a person too and has a right to know where they came from is important.

The bond between a surrogate and her IPs and her surrobub is life long - I'm confused as to why a baby born via surrogacy wouldn't know where they came from? The surrogate plays a role in the child's life - there's no hiding. They will grow up knowing their tummy mummy. The paperwork from the CAFCASS process documents the entire process of the parental order. A child who is adopted may not know who their birth mother is until adulthood - if at all. A child born through surrogacy will grow up knowing their tummy mummy. Of course they know where they came from. Why wouldn't they?

I think the severance of a relationship with the woman who gave birth to you, either through bereavement or choice, is more likely to impact the child than not having a Dad around.

As above. I'm confused as to why there's discussion of severance of a relationship between a surrogate and their surrobub. They continue to play a role in the child's life - a child born via gestational surrogacy to a heterosexual couple (as would be the case if we were to match with a surro and she were to conceive with one of our frozen embryos) has a genetic mother and father who raise them, as their parents, and they have a surrogate mother who they know carried and birthed them. I'm confused as to why a relationship is being severed and a child wouldn't know where they came from. Certainly that's not the case in the UK surrogacy community in anyone I've spoken to. Perhaps you know couples with different experiences of surrogacy?

I believe people and their bodies are not commodities, that it is wrong to have a contract or feel entitlement over a woman's body and the baby she creates with it

In the UK there is no contract and the surrogate has complete rights over the pregnancy and any baby born. It is up to them to decide to forego parental responsibility to the intended parents. Surrogacy in the UK is altruistic and entered into voluntarily and with all rights resting with the surrogate.

I judge those who buy women or their children to use.

Do you feel that altruistic surrogacy, as it is in the UK, is buying women? Where women such as mustbemad chose to be surrogates without any financial compensation, and did so out of an incredible generosity and kindness to help a child be born to a loving family?

MrsMaxwell · 12/02/2018 22:06

Surrogacy is unethical and immoral however you dress it up

What a load of utter bollocks.

It’s a gift and I have seen my friends create a beautiful family with it.

Person who compared surrogates to whores is insane.

bananafish81 · 12/02/2018 22:07

Also wouldn't want to not be able to breastfeed.

Many women whose babies were born through surrogacy have breastfed via induced lactation. One woman on one of the surrogacy groups I'm on bf her child for 18 months

mustbemad17 · 12/02/2018 22:09

Lots of IMs induce lactation. Interestingly many gay IPs also use donated breast milk to feed their babies - some surrogates even happily pump for them for a period too.

stitchglitched · 12/02/2018 22:11

I was referring to the severance of the mother-child relationship. Another poster has explained about traditional surrogates where their own eggs are used. I don't see how this is any different from giving your baby up for adoption, and the impact this can have on the child.

formerbabe · 12/02/2018 22:13

Person who compared surrogates to whores is insane

Charming use of the word "whores" there. It almost implies prostitutes are making a completely free choice...quite misogynistic use of language there which is interesting

Battleax · 12/02/2018 22:17

Defending surrogacy in sentimental style by branding women "whores" is plain nasty (and illogical- commodification of the body is all morally equivalent.)

Tour · 12/02/2018 22:21

I can’t carry another baby so I would.

CapnHaddock · 12/02/2018 22:26

No way

Beepbeepwhatever · 12/02/2018 22:50

I'm sat in bed. My eldest child is fast asleep In the next room. My baby is snoring away I need the room opposite me. according to many of you I exploited and used a woman for my children. According to some of you my children will grow up to have massive issues due to them being taken away from their birth mum. And according to some of you I should be ashamed of myself.

Now maybe put yourself in my shoes. When I was 28 I was diagnosed with cancer, it was found whilst I was trying to conceive. My gynae found the cancer while he was trying to help me conceive.

My treatment - took away all hopes of ever carrying a child, took away my eggs, took away my dreams.

I fought like hell to beat my cancer....and I did. But I couldn't fight the childlessness.

Did I think, hell to this....I've got money to burn let's see who I can exploit?

No. I researched, I joined groups, I saved like hell. I'm not rich. I'm just a normal person. I talked to so many people, I made friends. Many of these friends are now friends for life. I met someone....someone who, after months of getting to know each other, someone whose family are now my extended family...offered to be our surrogate.

We now have 2 amazing children thanks to this fabulous friend and her family. Our eldest knows in an age appropriate way that my tummy was broken and they grew i x's tummy. Our youngest will too. Our surrogate and her family - we see each other, we talk to each other, we love them to bits.

Surrogacy is beautiful, unfortunately this thread is full of people who think of the shady side of surrogacy. Not the beautiful side. I could go on for ages.

However, I know that many if you will read through this and brush it aside without a thought.

Surrogacy - for me has created my family. Without my surrogate I would not have a family. Was it selfish of me - no. Did I exploit anyone - no. Did I 'rent' a womb - no. Is surrogacy for everyone - no. Is surrogacy easy - no.

Should people judge normal people who have children through altruistic surrogacy in the uk - no.

MrsMaxwell · 12/02/2018 22:52

Charming use of the word "whores" there. It almost implies prostitutes are making a completely free choice...quite misogynistic use of language there which is interesting

I was using the language of the person who said it!!

Thehogfather · 12/02/2018 22:53

Again with egg donation I think it comes down to choice. When there was a possibility my best friend needed a donor I was happy to volunteer if needed. And if she had done I wouldn't be sat here years later maybe regretting it. Whereas when dd was little and I was in poverty, if I'd got to the point I couldn't keep her fed and warm I would have sold them to the highest bidder, and I imagine that now, years away from such desperation I'd really regret it.

Again it comes down to free choice.

Hedgehog80 · 12/02/2018 22:53

Yes if had the money I would. Have had five c sections now and 4 HG pregnancies and I don’t think physically I could manage another but I love having children and would keep going if I could

formerbabe · 12/02/2018 22:55

I was using the language of the person who said it!!

Please show me that then because I've scrolled back through much of the thread and only see posters referring to 'prostitutes'.

hibbledibble · 12/02/2018 22:59

Ethically, it is not sound to ask another woman to go through the risks of labour and childbirth, when one is phyisically able to do so oneself. Especially when another woman is doing so for financial gain. It is exploitative.

RuthsRandomRadish · 12/02/2018 23:01

No not unless absolutely necessary for reasons to do with attachment and bonding.

MrsMaxwell · 12/02/2018 23:03

Please show me that then because I've scrolled back through much of the thread and only see posters referring to 'prostitutes

Wow really I was mistaken then and was confused with another thread - but please take offence where none was intended.

MrsMaxwell · 12/02/2018 23:04

And actually what is much more offensive is comparing Surrogacy to
Prostitution Hmm

TheHolidayArmadillo · 12/02/2018 23:04

I wouldn’t. I think buying access to another woman’s body is immoral. I don’t have an automatic right to a child - no one does.

Idontdowindows · 12/02/2018 23:04

Wow really I was mistaken then and was confused with another thread - but please take offence where none was intended.

You think refering to women as whores is inoffensive? Wow.

stitchglitched · 12/02/2018 23:04

Referring to women as whores is offensive.

Idontdowindows · 12/02/2018 23:09

And actually what is much more offensive is comparing Surrogacy to
Prostitution

Buying access to a woman's body is buying access to a woman's body. It really doesn't matter what the reason for buying that access is.

MrsMaxwell · 12/02/2018 23:11

Buying access to a woman's body is buying access to a woman's body. It really doesn't matter what the reason for buying that access is

Please Hmm