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But that's not the conversation that happens over there, is it? it's all about painting TMs as nutters and perverts. It a hostile place that strays into phobic language and discourse far too often.
They don't paint them as nutters and perverts in the way you are describing. Autogynephilia is a fetish. That's part of it. The term transwomen officially includes cross dressing fetishists.
It's not wrong to talk about that.
It's also not wrong to see cross dressing fetishists insisting they have a lady penis, to which lesbians should be attracted, as delusional.
I suspect it's a numbers thing. That most people think that the people I'm speaking of are rare.
In which case, I can see a disconnect.
But they aren't rare. They are driving the agenda. That's the problem.
Which is why transwomen are finding their way to these threads, to add their voice to ours, and say not in our name. The schism in the community is making them want to speak up.
They actually joke that they have an invisibility cloak. Because as soon as they speak, they are studiously ignored, by those who call the threads transphobic.
The other thing to bear in mind is that many of these women are at the coalface of talking about this and have suffered from rape threats, abuse, doxxing, having their employers called. Censorship.
They're pissed off. But not with men who have gender dysphoria. With transactivism, which is an entirely different kettle of fish.
Feminists are analysts. Not bigots
So does that mean you DO speak for ALL feminists everywhere?
Well, since anyone can call themselves a feminist, even men who think that being 'treated like a piece of meat' is hot and street harassment is empowering, that's a bit of a moot question.
There is a quite interesting thread on the feminist board at the moment about liberal feminism and radical feminism.
And the difference between the two.
Some feminists believe that a woman's decision, whatever it is, must be a feminist one because it's being made by a woman. And it's a choice she makes.
But where do you draw the line? Does the woman who has to sell her kidney to provide food for her children have a real choice?
Is prostitution a real choice? Because it provides an income and therefore the commodification of the woman's body is a well thought out process. Or is her choice between prostitution and starvation. In which case how much of a choice is that?
And again, it's probably down to numbers. If you believe that the majority of women choose prostitution as a career and are happy with it, your disconnect will arise when other people claim that the majority of prostitutes want to exit the profession because it's degrading/they're addicts/trafficked, but they have no choice.
All I would ever say is to read. And then make up your mind.
If someone disagrees with what I say, and is happy to provide a reason that means something to them. Then I will readily disengage. No hard feelings.
Can't make people believe what you believe.
I generally only engage if I think somebody really doesn't know. It's quite difficult to do that without sounding up yourself.
But I try nonetheless.