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To call to all: You have less than a month. Please act now to protect women's rights (Closes 1 March 2018)

522 replies

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 07/02/2018 09:31

The Scottish Government's consultation on changes to the GRA closes on 1st March 2018.

The rest of the UK will likely follow Scotland's decision, so this is your chance to make your views known.

For those who don't yet understand the risks to women from changes to the Gender Recognition Act, please read this document. It is pretty straightforward

leyaterra.wordpress.com/2018/02/06/gender-the-gra-and-womens-rights/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Then please complete the Scottish Government's consultation.

You do NOT have to be Scottish or live in Scotland to complete it.

consult.gov.scot/family-law/review-of-the-gender-recognition-act-2004/

The brilliant Dr Nic Williams wrote a guide to the consultation

fairplayforwomen.com/scottish-consultation/

PLEASE complete it and pass to friends/family

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TheGirlWhoWasntThere · 08/02/2018 03:27

Done.

Magicmonster · 08/02/2018 04:12

On the divorce question, aren’t they just saying that you don’t need a specific ground for divorce in the legislation to cover this stuff, as it would be covered by the ground that allows divorce if the relationship has broken down irretrievably? If so, is it such a problem? Apologies if this is a stupid q - I’m new to this.

laudanum · 08/02/2018 04:14

Happily completed it in favour of trans and non binary folks.

Jassmells · 08/02/2018 07:13

Done

birdbandit · 08/02/2018 09:11

Re the divorce, you can get divorced if there is adultery or unreasonable behaviour, or you can separate for 2 years, and then divorce.

This change would make a self ID gender change REASONABLE behaviour, so unless you have the resources to move out for 2 years, you are stuck.

Unless I misunderstand?

PidgeonPodge · 08/02/2018 09:14

Yeah, you aren't doing me any favours laudanum so don't kid yourself that you are.

You are doing your bit to erode women's safety and rights though, well done.

And can we just all call 'non-binary' out for the massive pile of crap that it is? It's a non-word.

Pretty much everybody on earth is 'non-binary'.

diddlemethis · 08/02/2018 09:16

Laudinum This bill is so awful, it'll do huge damage to Trans people who don't want their cause damaged, by lumping them together with fetishists.

WilyMinx · 08/02/2018 09:22

Thanks for bringing this to attention. i have lived outside of the UK for 15+ years and was completely unaware of the buzz around transgenders until I read about it on here. I'm flabbergasted by what they're proposing.

SuitedandBooted · 08/02/2018 09:24

Laudanum, please tell us why we have to turn over all our rights to men, just because they demand it?

And as PidgeonPodge says, we all have characteristics that belong to both male and female stereotypes. Non-Binary is just another trendy tag, used by those who left their thinking skills in the 6th Form common room.

DodoPatrol · 08/02/2018 09:28

You might want to note, there, Laudanum, that Pidge is trans and doesn't want this.

Which transgender people did you favour in your response?

SuitedandBooted · 08/02/2018 10:01

bump

SuitedandBooted · 08/02/2018 10:02

Please respond to the consultation.

SuitedandBooted · 08/02/2018 10:05

Canada has already railroaded similar legislation through.
A Canadian poster on here was completely unaware of it, and the implications it would have!

Do you know what will happen if this goes ahead?

SuitedandBooted · 08/02/2018 10:06

bump

Nightowlagain · 08/02/2018 10:21

Done, thanks

MrWriter · 08/02/2018 10:54

Done.

Tighnabruaich · 08/02/2018 11:01

This is from the Green Party's website, under their 'Policy - Responsibilites and Rights section:

In sport, trans people are often ‘outed’, subjected to humiliating treatment, forced to provide unnecessary medical details and proofs of ‘genital surgeries’ that have no relevance to the stated aim of ‘ensuring that all of the same gender compete on a level playing field’. This is due to the extensive amount of exemptions contained within the existing Gender Recognition Act, not least of which is that a trans person’s birth certificate does not have the same legal standing as a cis person’s."

Some 'level playing field', eh?

Hygge · 08/02/2018 11:06

Done. And on every comments box I was clear in my opposition of this bill.

I did say that I don't think a spouse should have to be consulted, because I believe that it should be up to the person making the change (even though I don't think the change should happen in the way this bill is proposing) but that the spouse should have every right to divorce that being the case because they should not be forced to stay with someone who has done this or make up a reason other than the truth.

Jenala · 08/02/2018 11:38

Done, thanks for this. Included this which I think sums up how I feel.

^My concerns are only around a minority of men using this as a means of entering female sex segregated spaces. The majority if people who identify as trans are MtF, that is, transwomen. The majority of them do not have surgery, many also eschew hormone therapies. Given that, how are we to tell the difference between a truly trans identified person and a person who is claiming to be trans for nefarious reasons?This is particularly worrying when you consider places women are vulnerable such as domestic violence shelters, healthcare settings, school settings or prisons.

To be clear, I'm not saying that transpeople are a threat to women simply due to the fact they are trans. Quite the contrary, I'm certain that people who suffer from gender dysphoria simply want to live their lives quietly with as little suffering as possible. I can understand how removing the current restrictions required for a GRC can seem to be a way to improve trans lives in this respect. However there is a huge lack of consideration given to the possible implications I have outlined already.

As previously mentioned many trans identified people are trans only insofar as their outward appearance, with no surgeries or hormones. This is an individual choice, and I'll happily use preferred pronouns etc. But where do you draw the line? Are all men who wear dresses trans? Are women who avoid make up trans? If often the only thing that makes someone trans or not is their clothing and appearance, how do you know what constitutes trans or not?

This brings me back to my earlier point. Say you have two people who were born male. Both have male bodies, no surgery, no hormones. Both dress as women, both say they are trans, both prefer to be called 'she'. One has gender dysphoria. One finds it sexually arousing to change in a women's changing room. How do you know which one? How do you safeguard women from the second one? The answer is, you put in place restrictions for who can legally be recognised as female. This means those who have clinical gender dysphoria have a way to become recognised legally. Those who don't are very unlikely to go through that process.

The proposed changes are essentially to remove these safeguards.^

Jenala · 08/02/2018 11:38

Editing fail

Jux · 08/02/2018 11:38

Done. The whole thing is ridiculous. What on earth are they going to say about this in the annals of history! I recall an English teacher of mine almost wetting herself with laugter while trying to explain the attitude to women in Austen's time. I imagine that our descendants will be doing that.

Jux · 08/02/2018 11:44

Jenala, that is cogent and clear. May I use it as a base for a letter to my MP (we're in Devon, so he'll be voting on this at some point but not imminently)?

I keep trying to write to him but I get clogged, and find I can't explain what my worry actually is, so haven't managed it yet. If I could - not c&p - but work from yours, that would help a lot!

SomeOldFogey · 08/02/2018 12:01

Done. I'm another interested reader of the feminist boards. Thanks to all those raising awareness of this.

OldPony · 08/02/2018 12:08

Done.

SuitedandBooted · 08/02/2018 12:11

Bumpty bump