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To ask if you had your time again would you have been a SAHM?

535 replies

DiscoPanick · 05/02/2018 16:20

I've NC for this because of obvious reasons concerning linking threads and so forth.

What invariably happens if you take time off from your job/career and what if your H/P leaves you? Times had changed since alimony was granted. These days you'd leave with just the clothes on your back. That is if you didn't have personal savings or wealth.

Even if childcare renders you working at a net loss on a monthly basis, is it worth still having a foot in the door versus not.

The feeling of guilt concerning WOHMs is all well and good but will not ultimately put food on the table. (The feeling of guilt that is)

I'm just working through a few thoughts and need to consult with friends and others to see what others have done.

OP posts:
Deidre21 · 07/02/2018 21:24

And agree with you ESSPEE there is a lot of truth in that as I have experienced so far with my daughter.
Only one probably in the whole school who had never been to a nursery school and was able to read and write ahead of her class along with great manners and confidence - these things that are easily learnt from Parents who are there to listen and help and teach their children as we are after all their first teachers (or should be) No offence to the parents who have to send their children to nursery for whatever reasons but just expressing my experience.

WishIHadABetterRoutine · 07/02/2018 21:33

I was a SAHM for 3.5 years and have just gone back to work PT. To have stayed at work with two young children would have meant a net loss, plus considering the travel time and stress made it a no brainer. However when I got married I specifically applied for public sector jobs to benefit from the generous maternity leave and flexible working policies so was lucky enough to be granted a career break. This meant they kept my job open for me which has made my return to work far easier. I trusted my husband would always put his family first and I frequently reminded him of the true cost of the work I was doing at home (nanny, cleaner, cook etc). We were very fortunate that we were in a position to make this choice and one of us being at home made family life far easier. I don't regret it for one second, but vividly remember having the exact same deliberations with friends who were ft, pt, SAHMs etc when trying to decide what to do. I think what clinched it was that I was only ever realistically looking at 3/4 years off max and realising that even going back to work after that time meant I still had another 30+ years left at work to worry about career progression Hmm
However we don't all have the same choices, family needs, personal desires. Only you can decide what you really want and what is going to suit your family. We all do what we've got to do, no judgement here...

Babbitywabbit · 07/02/2018 21:35

Gosh I was far too busy enjoying my children to check out the reading and writing ability of all the other children in reception class.

LipstickHandbagCoffee · 07/02/2018 21:44

Funnily enough,when my dc went to school they were good readers,well mannered
Compared to kids who had never attended nursery.couldn’t sit,were not used to structured day,were disruptive
Clearly their first teacher had been remiss and this resulted in truculent kids

lostmyfeckingkeysagain · 07/02/2018 21:51

I am relatively lucky that I'm able to work 4 days a week, term time only. Sometimes I feel guilty about not being around all the time for DD, although rationally I know my working isn't detrimental to her. My own mother always worked full time, out of necessity. We have (and have always had) a very close relationship and I felt loved and secure as a child. By contrast, DH's Mum never worked and openly judges me for WOH, although I have repeatedly told her I actually don't have a choice. She likes to trot out comments like "why have a child if you're not going to bring it up yourself", which is ironic since she was emotionally unavailable to DH his entire childhood and they now have a polite but very distant relationship. Choosing to be a SAHM doesn't necessarily mean you are more devoted to your children.

If we could afford for me to stop work completely, I don't think I would do it, even though I occasionally feel slightly envious of the free time my SAHM friends have while their DC are at school. My job isn't glamorous or particularly well paid but I find it fascinating and deeply rewarding. I go home every day knowing I've made a difference to the lives of vulnerable children and families, so I wouldn't want to give that up. I really feel for the (many) women I know who have no choice but to spend a fortune on childcare fees to work in a job they don't enjoy or feel fulfilled by.

Blueink · 07/02/2018 22:02

Agree, both working and non working parents are bringing up their own children.
Ideologically, I’m not a fan of reinforcing (and role modelling to children) traditional gender roles that have historically served men being dominant. The workplace also doesn’t improve for women by women staying at home once they become parents. It can only be influenced by being there and speaking up. As an adult, I would not want to be financially dependant, unless by capacity. It creates an imbalance, which can leave some women and children vulnerable.
I know this is not the case for everyone, but I have experienced being more productive as a working, studying, parent and gone a bit odd, ironing children’s vests (and finding other unnecessary stuff to do) in the periods when I’ve been ‘stay at home’. Though it has its challenges, I can find ways to organise my time and adapt to the unexpected, so I can be where I need to be when I need to be there. I won’t make it to various coffee mornings and that’s okay. Overall I experience more balance and better mental health as a working parent.

jwpetal · 07/02/2018 22:06

I am just looking to reenter work. My children are 11 and twin 8 year olds. I don't regret the time off. To be honest, one of us had to be home as the first 5 years of my twins life was spent in hospital rounds.

This is the first year where their health has not ruled the home. I am worried about not finding a job, but I am researching, speaking to people and taking this as an opportunity to reinvent my future. I have also done volunteer work, which has kept my skills going and good contacts.

I am fortunate as my husband and i are on the same page about our life. He is very supportive. Sometimes, I get worried about my pension etc, but we are ensuring that we have savings.

Shockers · 07/02/2018 22:08

Absolutely! And I changed career to fit in with school terms when my youngest was 5 and I went back to work. It was the best thing for me and my family.

LoveB · 07/02/2018 22:15

Blueink HmmBiscuit

Mooseknuckle · 07/02/2018 22:22

I worked part time after dc1, had dc2 lost job so was a SAHM, by choice. Then retrained and set up on business and worked from home with kids there.
Then got a TTO school hours job.
Just doing a PGCE now, would love to work part-time, until DC are both at secondary school.
Don't regret any of my decisions, although it might have been better if I had trained as a teacher in my twenties, rather than in my late 30's.

It is what it is. No money in the world can replace my time with my babies... My thinking if DH were to bugger off and leave me. Not a judgement of anyone else's decision.

Janus · 07/02/2018 22:25

Do you know what’s great about this thread is that we are all different! Obviously some of us want to go back to work for our own sanity, some of us don’t want to go back to work but have to for financial reasons, some of us are lucky enough and enjoy being at home. Thank goodness we are all different, I’m sure we all love our children just the same.

speakout · 07/02/2018 22:25

I think giving up work to be a SAHM can lead to life transformation.

My 5 closest friends all gave up work to be a SAHM for years, each one including me has their own successful small business and a complete change of direction.

SweetheartNeckline · 07/02/2018 22:27

Ideologically, I’m not a fan of reinforcing (and role modelling to children) traditional gender roles that have historically served men being dominant.

I feel the same, but sometimes we can't live life to our ideologies; sometimes it's just about making the best of it, for given situation, and making it up as you go along.

I also think there is a huge difference between being a SAHP to several preschool children vs being a SAHP to school aged children in terms of a sense of purpose for the parent. Being a SAHP to school aged children is still very valuable although a large part of that is because of the inflexible nature of most jobs - term time only, WFH or 9-3 roles would mean parents could be there through the difficult teenage years and have a career. It's just not the way it's done in the UK though.

Brainfogmcfogface · 07/02/2018 22:28

I’m still a sahm to my 3yo and have loved every minute of the past 3 years. I know it’s not for everyone but I really enjoyed the baby groups and now the toddler groups. I am lucky to have a really nice soft play centre nearby that we both enjoy, and have a group of mums friends I met at the groups all with children the same age so able to have lots of play dates. I actually regret the previous 15 years of work. I was never truly happy in my careeer but felt trapped. I now feel freeer then I ever have and once my lo starts school I’m hoping completely change careers to childcare. If I could do it all over again I would in an instant.

speakout · 07/02/2018 22:30

but sometimes we can't live life to our ideologies; sometimes it's just about making the best of it, for given situation, and making it up as you go along.

Absolutely.

Dimond08 · 07/02/2018 22:43

If i had my time again and had the option (job did not offer part time), I have loved being at home with my kids, I would have gone part time. I work part time but not in a job I want to be in and I am bored in it. Have done a few courses and volunteered, just have to keep trying and hope someone will employ (take pity on me Grin.

Member477264 · 07/02/2018 22:45

Long time lurker (2 years +) , never felt the urge to post before.

But this is a very interesting, and important, thread. And, on the whole, is staying within the realms of reasoned debate; it’s ok to disagree, as long as you don’t denigrate. Too often, women attack each other for making different choices to their own. Generalisation I know, but on the whole (and I have four brothers) men don’t seem to feel the need to do this. Why are we our own worst enemies when we need to advocate for each other?

This is an important topic for me, simply I suppose because I have a daughter. What do I tell her? I don’t have a “career”. Like many people, I suspect, I have a job. I don’t love it, I don’t hate it, it is simply a means to an end. Luckily for me, it pays pretty well, but I don’t kid myself it’s making the world a better place or anything.

I had my children relatively late in life (39 and 43) and by that stage working was a habit. I could, I suppose, have been a SAHM, although I earned slightly more than my husband and dropping to one salary would have been tight. Doable, but tight. On the whole, I was in the “it’s better for the children to have a parent at home” camp. And yet. I couldn’t quite bring myself to relinquish my job, although I didn’t love it and I absolutely did love my kids. I took a six month sabbatical after my first, whilst my husband tried to persuade me to work locally and ditch my commute. I interviewed, and was offered, two local jobs. Only to find myself pregnant with the second (after 4 miscarriages). Economically, the sums didn’t add up. I would have been in a net loss situation if I’d taken either of those jobs. And whilst that wasn’t necessarily a deal breaker, accepting a new job Whilst pregnant, for me, was. I can’t know if it was entirely that tho, or some subliminal instinct, that insisted I stick with my City position.

15 months after the birth of my second child, my seemingly devoted husband walked out on our marriage and children with no prior warning at all. Desperate times. But, thank god, I can still support my children independently, and if it means working a job I don’t love or believe in, that doesn’t much matter.

As previous posters have said, this SAHM vs WOHM debate is so often not a matter of choice. We all cut our cloth to fit our circumstances. I am lucky enough to work a 4 day week. Do I feel my children are still short changed? Yes. Would I be a SAHM if the opportunity arose? No. The day a week I don’t go to my job is the hardest of my working week! I won’t give it up whilst my youngest is still in pre school ( tho I’m often tempted!) but I would be loath to do it full time. I understand the trope that says it’s better for a child to have a parent at home, especially in the early years. There is a part of me that still subscribes to it. I’m damn sure, that if you asked my kids, they’d choose for me to be at home. But they’d also choose to eat haribo for breakfast, lunch and tea and to go to bed at midnight every night. Just because they’d choose it, doesn’t make it right.

These days, I am less convinced than ever that this child centric society we are all intent on pursuing is the answer to all of societies ills. I am one of six and, for what it’s worth, my mother is inclined to say that if she had her time over, she’d have had a career and no children at all! I generally take that with a pinch of salt but ....

Women have always worked. Inside the home. Outside of the home. What remains constant is that, by and large, they are still the ones who take on the majority of the responsibility for childcare, and are the ones whose lives are changed irrevocably with the advent of children ( and yes, I know there are exceptions. Obviously.)

That being the case, I will be advising both my children to work hard and strive for financial independence. I don’t honestly see how anyone, whatever their own experience, could advise differently. Neither position is morally superior to the other. Neither benefits, nor disadvantages, the child more than the other. To think thst one upbringing is better than the other, is to ignore the myriad of other extenuating factors that come into play.

What is important and empowering for anyone, adult, child, woman, man, is choice. Everyone needs to have as many options as possible and, regardless of what you eventually choose, why would you limit that choice?

Dozer · 07/02/2018 22:59

WTF Espee! ShockGrinHalo

Dozer · 07/02/2018 23:00

Fathers rarely make the choice ti work PT and almost never SAH.

Choice is shaped by cultural pressure.

WithTwoGiantBoys · 07/02/2018 23:03

I was forced out of my job when ds2 started school, until then had 'managed' with nursery and favours from friends to do drop offs etc. But when ds2 started school I simply couldn't cope with school hours and an inflexible boss who wanted me on call 24/7 and didn't understand that with no family support and a husband working 60+ hour weeks I just couldn't do everything. I was exhausted. I think I probably am a sahm now, although I started my own small business and have worked the entire time. I'd like to renter the workforce but have totally lost my confidence. I wish I'd been able to carry on part time but I just couldn't juggle it all. We women were really shafted with that whole having it all lie!

dms1 · 08/02/2018 00:14

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dms1 · 08/02/2018 00:16

‘We all cut our cloth to fit our circumstances’

Totally agree. ☺️

Joyce12861 · 08/02/2018 00:30

Hear hear

SavageBeauty73 · 08/02/2018 00:33

No. Biggest mistake I made.

Work part time, desperately applying for full time jobs. In the middle of a divorce. Feel financially insecure.

Aria999 · 08/02/2018 05:24

This is a scary thread! I’m a sahm, love it. DS is two. Was previously a professional in a tough career and have never been happier since I stopped. But i don’t want to lose the ability to get s job. What good flexible second careers have people succeeded in after being sahm? Any advice welcome !