To think Kate Middleton needs to hire a make up artist

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Does she still do her own make up?

It's awful. She either needs lessons or just hire an expert.

I don't think that being female absolves you of the criticism of other females. I don't think that being a feminist requires me to silence my opinions of other women (particularly regarding how they look for those whose job or role is bound up with how they look). Wanting a better lot for women is - to me - counter to supporting and cheerleading the likes of KM who is paid to live in privilege which we, as royal subjects, are supposed to respect and accept. Image is part of who and what she is; criticism of the image is legitimate. If image were not key to who she was there would be no royal stylists, huge clothing budgets, dressmakers ensuring everything fits perfectly, hairdressers etc.

Are all the pro-KM-ers essentially saying be nice/kind/'not rude' because she's female?!?! Weird.

herethereandeverywhere
Yes, you should keep your fawning opinions on her appearance to yourself too. She hasn't asked anyone for their opinion, good, bad or indifferent.

Here are several comments out of a total of 27 messages on the thread you mention, telling the insulting poster to mind her mouth - and nine of the comments are by the OP herself, so we are actually talking about three out of eighteen posts:

Bodear Thu 01-Feb-18 19:07:21
"Hi OP, ignore the previous poster who is rude and has terrible taste. You have great taste and your dress is gorgeous"

Tiddlywinks63 Thu 01-Feb-18 19:01:46
"if you can't say anything nice then don't say anything callmybabybalonz
That's a singularly unpleasant comment."

LunaTheCat Thu 01-Feb-18 20:03:24
"calm that is an absolutely awful thing to say. The poster has asked a question which you have not answered just made a nasty comment"

Here is the OP herself discussing the shoes:
"I'm in two minds about the shoes. I have bought them but not worn them. They're very comfy, and as I'll be standing for most of the service, that's important.

I figured that as the dress is quite simple, I could go for statement shoes? I'd welcome suggestions, but my feet are a bit tricky (high instep, wide all, narrow ankle and easily blister)"

"So, people who don't like the shoes (I know Irregular Choice can be a bit marmite), what would you pair with the dress instead?"

So true feminism is being a shit to other women solely based on how they look and think they should 'do better'.

Pull the fucking other one mate.

No true feminism is allowing women to be honest.

I’m indifferent to royalty but think it must be horrendous to have the whole world looking for flaws. She’s a lovely looking young woman. She looks fresh and natural. Most celebrities who use professional make up artists look awful, over made up and a bit tacky.

Wanting a better lot for women is - to me - counter to supporting and cheerleading the likes of KM who is paid to live in privilege which we, as royal subjects, are supposed to respect and accept

What? Don't criticise someone's grooming. Don't support inherited privilege. You can do both at once. Watch; I'm doing both as we speak.

Don't criticise someone's grooming

why not?

Why would you? It's none of your business how someone else does their eye make up. Why make personal remarks just because she's there?

So slagging off a woman's make up efforts is your way of taking down the monarchy?

Er, ok then. Let us know how it goes.

You are completely misunderstanding the proposition, herethere.

Image consists of more than just appearance. Image refers to the character and the personality too. Years ago and even today royal women were/are supposed to be paragons of virtue and to reflect the supposedly elevated station of the family to which they belonged either by birth or by marriage. They could look like a slapped arse but they were required to behave impeccably, to have proper manners, to make it clear that they belonged to a station in life above that of the rest of society. To a lesser extent, this was the role of the king too - the double standard made it acceptable for a king to be quite a rake of course, but he was supposed to be regal too.

We live in an age in which books are unabashedly judged by their covers, but even though this is a common mistake made by many, KM's job is not bound up in how she looks. The idea that any women's job should be bound up in how she looks is one that should make you spit tea all over your keyboard.

Criticism of the idea that the royal family is owed any deference or attention or income from the public purse is another matter altogether, and perfectly reasonable. There are lots of republicans in the UK.

But don't get the two mixed up. They are completely different questions. The second one involves the men of the royal family too.

*Don't criticise someone's grooming

why not?*
Because it makes you look like a right dickhead.
I'm for the republic but think this thread is pretty shitty.

herethereandeverywhere Thu 01-Feb-18 20:28:01
No true feminism is allowing women to be honest

No it's not. It is allowing women to be free of the judgement that so often comes from men, based on appearance, sexual availability, and sexual attractiveness.

It also involves analysing your reactions to women you see walking around - perhaps they have not shaved their legs or armpits. Perhaps they have not put on makeup. Perhaps their nails don't match your taste. Perhaps you think they could 'make more of themselves' if they cut out the blusher or the eyeliner. You need to figure out why you might turn up your nose at such women and why you think your critique might be useful or welcomed.

You need to ask yourself if your assessment is really yours or is it actually a voice in your head from the patriarchy which decrees that women must look attractive to men, that women must live their lives and choose their appearance in reference to men and what men might find acceptable.

Is it 'honesty' or is it someone or something else's concept of women that you are giving voice to?

Being honest and voicing an opinion is saying that I don't like how she does her make up.
Not that she needs to do it to my taste. She should do it as she likes it. Not me.

Honesty works both ways...

And You don't have to be pro-KM to not like other women being gratuitously slagged off.

She's also not being paid. William is. Are you saying he pays her as a prostitute?
She's not your property for you to decide how she should look.

That is the problem with this thread and here.

I think she looks fine . She is expecting so she may not be looking her best . Don't think people should be commenting on her make up it's up to her how she does it . It may not be on the top list of things who cares

I think she's bloody gorgeous and her lovely smile makes up for any deviation in make up or fashion. Kate looks very comfortable in her own skin and probably doesn't give a shit for any opinions or feminist claptrap.

I don't think it's anti-woman to criticize someone's style. I had agreed with the OP not because I'm suggesting she needs to look 'more beautiful' or 'prettier'. I personally don't like the LK Bennett Sloaney look that she's going for (clothes/makeup) and think she would look more interesting if she went a bit more modern.

Obviously she's going to do what she wants and that might include shaving her head and wearing no makeup at all (doubful). But just to be clear my comments weren't about how decorative she is or her success in appearing attractive. I'm just interested in style and would love it if she went in a slightly different direction, style wise.

There's an awful lot of virtue signalling on this thread.

Windygallows! Exactly right. I couldn't make head nor tail of this thread. But it's all virtue signalling! You are so right. It all makes sense now.
The woman is in all the fashion magazines, spends thousands on clothes, makws very clear statements in her clothing choice and is paid to be a public figure/wife but no one is allowed comment on her makeup, least they are deemed anti -woman!!! I love her husbands new hair style too. And Harry looks 1000 times better since he lobbed off the curls.
I've no interest in the royals but news of their clothes and hair is very difficult to avoid so someone somewhere must be interested.

Feminism is lying or being silenced lest we upset other [privileged] women.

Fucks sake I give up.

And I agree with others re: virtue-signalling. it's nauseating (and doesn't really stack up to any logical argument).

Waiting for a pic of your perfect makeup including a diagram or the thread isn't valid...

She's not your property for you to decide how she should look.

Exactly this.

Am I allowed to say I hate her style?

Yes me too. Had HG with both pregnancies. Can only assume OP has never had it, hence her very shallow comment about the importance of having somebody else apply your make up. I was lucky to still be alive.

YABU. She looks great most of the time, give the woman a break.

So is it only privileged women we can slag off? Exactly how poor do I have to be before I can get away with looking like a bag of shite?

And seriously fuck off with that virtue signalling bullshit. The last refuge of people whose argument is morally fucked up is to claim that the moral argument is just for show. Which only proved you know which side is the moral one and which isn't.