to be confused about the Dylan Farrow claims when reading what Moses Farrow has to say?

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during the MeToo campaign recently, there’s been loads of talk about Woody Allen and questions about why he’s not been destroyed in the same way as Weinstein and others. I remember back in the nineties reading about the horrendous split between him and Mia (including Mia sending him an incredibly intricate valentine with steak knives through the photographs of her and their children) and being a bit confused about who was telling the truth because they were both making allegations. I didn’t even know Moses Farroe existed until quite recently and having read this, I’m now even more confused and wondering if it’s fair to condemn someone (Netflix are considering dropping his new venture entirely) when the courts wouldn’t take it further. Anyway, this is what Moses has to say. He’s now a 39 year old marriage therapist. I’m wondering why he’s never been on tv talking about this?
ronanfarrowletter.wordpress.com/2018/01/04/moses-farrow-speaks-out/

I read through the whole report into his behaviour towards Dylan, and it was strong in its condemnation of his attitude towards Mia Farrow's adopted children. Apparently as they were adopted they weren't Sung Yi's "real" relatives and she wasn't really Mia Farrow's daughter so their relationship was unproblematic. Which raises some questions about why they adopted children themselves and what he thinks their status is. It was definitely stated that his attitude to Dylan was markedly different to all the others, and that it was obsessive and damaging to her. There were witnesses to finding him in odd positions with Dylan, and one occasion where her knickers disappeared after she had been with Woody

I don't see why they both can't be telling the truth. Moses says Mia mentally and physically abused him. Dylan says Woody sexually abused her.

Neither has to be lying. Nothing would surprise me.

Soon-Yi wasn't his daughter. He didn't adopt her. She is Andre Previn's daughter.

Moses says that Dylan spoke to him and said her Mom was asking her to say things that weren’t true. She didn’t want to say them. But she wanted a special doll and when she got the doll, the allegations were made. He also said that some of the practical stuff doesn’t add up, ie they didn’t have a train set in the attic at all. I don’t know. I guess if we have to take what Dylan says as truth, without knowing any of it as we weren’t there, we also have to believe Moses too.

He met soon Yi when she was 8 and slept with her before she was 20. He was 56. What he may or may not have done to Dylan doesn't change what he did to Soon Yi.

True, but being a creepy fucker who got into a legal but very morally ambiguous relationship with his girlfriends daughter, doesn’t make him a paedophile

Children with their history can be very challenging to parent. It may have been a very emotionally turbulent house. It sounds disfunctional to me, and should never have been allowed IMO.

Ok, but it makes him morally suspect! I wouldn't believe a word he said, about anything. He is driven by his ego, without concerns for the needs of others. That makes him potentially an abuser!

a bit like the Rosie O’Donnell situation with her daughter, very turbulent and long history there

This is a well-researched, non-emotive article which presents several key facts. www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.vanityfair.com/news/2014/02/woody-allen-sex-abuse-10-facts/amp

Personally, even if I didn't believe Dylan (which I do), Allen's previous conduct, the repeated ephebophilic themes in his work and his inappropriate relationship with Soon-Yi would be quite enough for me to feel that defending him at the expense of a potential victim of child sexual abuse would be grossly inappropriate.

three of Dylan and Mose’s siblings died in really tragic circumstances. Apparently Lark’s death from pneumonia after a long history of drug abuse and becoming HIV positive, was triggered by the toxic breakdown of Woody and Mia’s relationships. And another one of her adopted sons committed suicide.

I’m wondering why he’s never been on tv talking about this?

Why should he? No one who's had the kind of screwed-up childhood these kids clearly did owes anyone anything.

yeah I know. I’m just a bit confused when people blankly state that “I believe him/her” when in reality they just don’t know. They can’t possibly. There are so many contradictory statements in this case. There’s a well known police investigator who says that she’s looked into the case in minute detail and in her view, there is no case. Who to believe?

Surely they could both be telling the truth. He could have been abused by Mia Farrow and Dylan could have been abused by Woody Allen. Both things could have happened simultaneously in the same house.
Woody Allen obviously has a very morally wrong relationship with Soon Yi and in that respect it puts his other relationships under much more scrutiny obviously.

Both Mia and Woody could have been shit parents. Those two things don't have to be mutually exclusive.

I believe Dylan.

I don't want to sound judgy, but I think Mia must have some inner need to collect children. Woody is clearly odd. The children were in an unhealthy spot from the start, I think.

Yeah, I agree. I also think it’s quite odd that Dylan calls Moses a liar for saying Mia abused him/them, but she doesn’t like being called a liar when she discusses the abuse she says happened.

"I believe my sister. This was always true as a brother who trusted her, and, even at 5 years old, was troubled by our father's strange behavior around her: climbing into her bed in the middle of the night, forcing her to suck his thumb — behavior that had prompted him to enter into therapy focused on his inappropriate conduct with children prior to the allegations.

But more importantly, I've approached the case as an attorney and a reporter, and found her allegations to be credible. The facts are persuasive and well documented. I won't list them again here, but most have been meticulously reported by journalist Maureen Orth in Vanity Fair. The only final legal disposition is a custody ruling that found Woody Allen's behavior "grossly inappropriate" and stressed that "measures must be taken to protect [Dylan]." "

Just for balance, ^^ that's Ronan's opinion on the alleged abuse.

Diane Keaton is getting a lot of criticism for saying she still believes Woody. She tweeted a link to his 1992 interview yesterday and said she still believes him.

Children can have very different experiences of their parents. Something I read suggested Mia was intense and controlling with Satchel, and Woody was with Dylan. Dylan may never have seen Moses being abused, and vice versa.

I’m not sure what to think. I’ve gone from 1000% believing Dylan to thinking there’s more than meets the eye to this.

Fortunately, it's nothing to do with us. I won't be watching his films. I won't be on any jury. I don't need to know.

The fact that others of Mia's adopted children died in sad circumstances doesn't mean they were necessarily abused or mistreated by her. They were adopted a long time ago when understanding of adopted children's needs was less developed, plus they were adopted by celebrities and far too many in one family. Mia couldn't possibly have given them all the reparatory parenting they needed.

The household was clearly toxic. But based on Woody Allen's abusive and predatory behaviour towards Soon Yi I have no doubt at all that he is capable of sexually abusing Dylan. His acknowledged behaviour is an indicator of being a sexual predator.