to be confused about the Dylan Farrow claims when reading what Moses Farrow has to say?

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during the MeToo campaign recently, there’s been loads of talk about Woody Allen and questions about why he’s not been destroyed in the same way as Weinstein and others. I remember back in the nineties reading about the horrendous split between him and Mia (including Mia sending him an incredibly intricate valentine with steak knives through the photographs of her and their children) and being a bit confused about who was telling the truth because they were both making allegations. I didn’t even know Moses Farroe existed until quite recently and having read this, I’m now even more confused and wondering if it’s fair to condemn someone (Netflix are considering dropping his new venture entirely) when the courts wouldn’t take it further. Anyway, this is what Moses has to say. He’s now a 39 year old marriage therapist. I’m wondering why he’s never been on tv talking about this?
ronanfarrowletter.wordpress.com/2018/01/04/moses-farrow-speaks-out/

I can't believe that no poster who reads this thread can not see that there is indeed a problem with Mr Allen. It's wrought thickly throughout his films.

Of which I'm ashamed to have to say I did watch some.

Never again.

Putrid.

I don't know how American laws differ to British laws regarding adoption but if you have lots and lots of money I'm guessing it's fairly easy to adopt however many children you want in America?

I have read stories in the paper about woody Allen and Mia farrow for years and neither comes out looking good tbh Woody Allen is a very odd individual imo.

I remember my father telling me that Jimmy Savile was an odd individual. He stopped us from going to TOTPs because Savile was presenting it.

The Vanity Fair article is a very convincing well researched item. It makes the claim that mia found naked photos of soon yi taken by wa. He told mia that soon yi meant nothing and he wanted mia. When mia rejected him, he went off with soon yi and painted mia as the scorned wife who used Dylan to get back at him.
It's a good article and Ronan comes across well - a real credit to his mum.

I know she was badly hurt and angry, but this valentine sent by Mia to Woody is quite shocking:

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.nydailynews.com/amp/entertainment/gossip/mia-farrow-threatening-1992-valentine-day-woody-allen-article-1.1605686

Whether I believe Dylan or not, Woody's interest in very young girls is apparant and hidden in plain sight throughout his work.

He and Soon-Yi may be very happy together but she was his stepdaughter he met when she was 8. That's just disgusting.

www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/i-read-decades-of-woody-allens-private-notes-hes-obsessed-with-teenage-girls/2018/01/04/f2701482-f03b-11e7-b3bf-ab90a706e175_story.html?utm_term=.9aa095a303e3

I believe her. Unfortunately lots of family members decide to side with abusers. Moses clearly had a problematic relationship with Mia Farrow and has an agenda here but he wasn't in the room with her when the abuse happened. Her story is corroborated by multiple people, it's clear from the judgement on the custody case that the judge believes her too.

That in itself doesn't mean Dylan lied

So Mia handed over the card and Woody said 'Thanks' but didn't feel the steak knife and knitting needles sticking out of it or notice them until he opened it? I surprised everything didn't fall out.

Did Mia ever confirm that she gave him it?

Frankly I don't blame her if she did. She was trying to convey that he'd stabbed their family through the heart. I think I'd probably want to kill my long term boyfriend, and father of my son, if I found out he'd taken naked pictures of my SN teenage daughter and had sex with her!

I know she was badly hurt and angry, but this valentine sent by Mia to Woody is quite shocking

I am not sure 'badly hurt' covers how you would feel when your ex husband shacks up with your teenage daughter, the sister of your younger children. The same ex husband who your 7 yo has recently accused of sexually abusing her. Mia Farrow sounds bad from Moses's account, but to be fair if that had been me, he would be thanking his lucky stars that all he got was a photo and not an actual knife through the heart.

Its certainly not uncommon for siblings to have very different experiences of childhood within the same household either.

Its certainly not uncommon for siblings to have very different experiences of childhood within the same household either

So true. My dad was violent and abusive but my sister has zero recollection of it happening. She must have blocked it out because I swear on my life that it did happen on several occasions.

I do believe WA had seen Soon Yi as just a secret fling. Once it became public he had to marry her ss she probably has some beans she could spill if she wants tO.

As for Soon Yi, I suspect the affair and marriage had much more to do with her hating Mia than it did with her loving WA.

Farrow also married a much older man, she was 20 or 21 and Frank Sinatra was 50. I remember her in Peyton Place back then.

This article from a few years ago gives a different perspective:

www.thedailybeast.com/the-woody-allen-allegations-not-so-fast

I used to love his films but can't stand watching them these days as I find him so creepy and hate the way he pairs young women with old men (usually himself). But I also feel very strongly that society should operate on an "innocent until proven guilty" basis, and that we have to let the legal system decide, however flawed it is. Trial by media is not the way forward.

He got increasingly creepier over the years as he got older and letchier and his female co-stars got younger, and the pattern became clearer that all his films are about him perving and obsessing over women, and that they're just there for ornamentation. Bleurgh.

I don't struggle to believe Dylan at all.

I don't really understand how people struggle with this TBH

Children growing up in a complicated and chaotic environment report differeing issues around abuse which under the specific influence or control of a man who can clearly be charming when needed and has at the very least highly questionable attitudes to appropriate contact with young women/girls

I don't really see why anyone would tie themselves in knots questioning if it was true or not. Incredibly coincidental for a child to allege abuse when the 'dad' has clearly no trouble viewing his girlfriends child as a potential sexual partner

Just because Mia is a bit weird doesn't mean he isn't weirder.

Had it happened now he would have been prosecuted . It’s very much an unfortunate episode and can be judged by the different attitudes back then . I believe her and I think most people do . I don’t think this story is going to go away . Brave woman

I don't really see why anyone would tie themselves in knots questioning if it was true or not

Yes, this. I find it very bizarre when someone seems to be so invested in defending Woody Allen.

I also think it’s quite odd that Dylan calls Moses a liar for saying Mia abused him/them, but she doesn’t like being called a liar when she discusses the abuse she says happened

In what possible way is that odd? Regardless of the truth that is completely normal.

I agree that his relationship wtih soon yi at 17 years old when he was a step father figure to her from 8, and their age gap to boot, it is so, so, SO inappropriate that I assume he doesn't know right from wrong.

Or WA does know right from wrong but really doesn't care - remember "The heart wants what it wants"?

Mia Farrow adopted ten! Children and gave birth to four. I think we can extrapolate that she was a very damaged and complex woman who certainly didn't/couldn't parent all her children as they needed.
Under those circumstances I would be surprised if Mia wasn't emotionally/physically abusive and/or neglectful to some or all of her children.

None of that means that Woody didn't sexually abuse Dylan, Soon Yi and who knows how many more.