to be confused about the Dylan Farrow claims when reading what Moses Farrow has to say?

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during the MeToo campaign recently, there’s been loads of talk about Woody Allen and questions about why he’s not been destroyed in the same way as Weinstein and others. I remember back in the nineties reading about the horrendous split between him and Mia (including Mia sending him an incredibly intricate valentine with steak knives through the photographs of her and their children) and being a bit confused about who was telling the truth because they were both making allegations. I didn’t even know Moses Farroe existed until quite recently and having read this, I’m now even more confused and wondering if it’s fair to condemn someone (Netflix are considering dropping his new venture entirely) when the courts wouldn’t take it further. Anyway, this is what Moses has to say. He’s now a 39 year old marriage therapist. I’m wondering why he’s never been on tv talking about this?
ronanfarrowletter.wordpress.com/2018/01/04/moses-farrow-speaks-out/

It's perfectly possible that both parents were abusive to different children. Doesn't make either child's account untrue.

it’s Moses who made the connection between the deceased siblings mental and emotional issues, their premature deaths and their upbringing

Putting dylan's allegations to one side, he came into soon yi's life when she was 8. He was effectively her step father. By the time she was 17 he was having sex with her. This is grooming, nothing else. He is an abuser for this alone

He was never married to Mia, he never lived with Mia and the children. He was just her boyfriend, and according to Mia herself, she was still having sex with Frank Sinatra, who she now claims is Ronan's real father. So, in my opinion, while Woody was the adoptive father of Moses and Dylan, he was never in the position of stepfather to the other children.

Frankly I think so many lies were told on both sides that none of the family really can remember/understand what the truth actually was.

Dylan Farrow has had an incredibly consistent story over decades, and Woody Allen is literally married to his teenage step daughter, has a huge body of work "examining" relationships between old men and young girls, and has a publically accessible archive detailing his obsession with young teenagers. I don't think it's a massive step to you know, just believe her.

Her brother doesn't want to believe it. I'm sure there's a lot of complicated family history there and that he's been idolising his father as so many boys do.

But Woody Allen is a creep who is creepily obsessed with teenage girls and spent a lifetime making films about his creepy obsession. If your 14 year old daughter was invited to his house, would you let her go?

choli might have summed it up best right there!

So it's ok for middle aged men to sleep with their girlfriend's children? Doesn't matter if they were living together or not, it was still deeply wrong.

I'm sorry but what actual bullshit. If he was dating her mother when she was 8 to start a relationship with her when she was 17 is morally questionable at best. Thats 9 years he was an adult figure of authority in her life. I find it repugnant.

Regardless of the precise nature of Mia and Woody's relationship, to later go on to have a sexual relationship with a teenage girl who you first met when you were in the position of a trusted adult / close family friend, and she was 8 - undeniably creepy.

Yep, that much is true. For sure. But I don’t agree that it proves paedophilic tendencies. Creepy, lecherous, deeply inappropriate tendencies, yes.

Moses says that he remembers the day in question. I find that completely unbelievable given that he is saying nothing happened, it was just an ordinary visit. Why then would he have such a vivid recollection of a day that took place 25 years ago? I certainly don't remember individual days from when I was 14 and I am younger than Moses.

WA and Soon-Yi is absolutely disgusting. He is 35 years older than her and met her when she was 8 and he was 43. It makes zero difference whether or not he adopted her- it is as wrong as wrong can be and I can't believe people are defending it on here.

It sounds as if Mia Farrow was also a terrible parent but that does not mean that WA did not abuse Dylan.

I'm also aghast then him and Soon-Yi were then allowed to go on and adopt children together considering his history with his/the adopted children of his ex.

Dylan Farrow’s account of certain events of the particular day in question has been corroborated by three separate, unrelated, adults. Two babysitters and one French tutor. Her account has always been consistent.
Woody Allen had, by his own admission, been in therapy for his inappropriate relationship with her. I have no problem believing Dylan.

Isn't it odd that the account of a man is considered so much more credible than that of a woman!

Soon-Yi wasn't "just" his girlfriend's child; she is also WA's own children's sister.

It it indefensibly horrid.

I wonder how American adoption laws differ to ours. I was also surprised that WA and Soon Yi were allowed to adopt two children.

wouldn’t get past social services here

Blimey. He married Soon Yi 21 years ago!
Still all kinds of wrong but can't believe it's been that long.

Woody Allen gives me the creeps, just like Savile and other known abusers. There's something entirely mucky about him. Plus he did marry his ex wife's adopted daughter.... fucking gross.

I believe Dylan. Moses understandably wants to believe his father wouldn't hurt his sister but his account is problematic, Dylan's is far more believable. And given what we know about Woody Allen's behaviour and his history of questionable relationships in his films, I don't think it's difficult to see who is more credible here.

m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4746866

This is the actual ruling by the judge in the 1993 ruling. Even in reserved legally appropriate language he is ripping WA apart. I 100% that she's telling the truth.

Mia Farrow sounds like a manipulative, disturbed, bitter nutcase. Woody Allen sounds like a creepy weirdo. They both sound like toxic, unsuitable parents.

It is reported that Soon-Yi has learning difficulties which makes it all the more sinister.

From the vanity fair article - Seiger was her language tutor for years :
. “She has trouble processing information, trouble understanding language on an inferential level. She’s very, very literal and flat in how she interprets what she sees and how she interprets things socially. She misinterprets situations.” Seiger doubts that Soon-Yi could have written the statement to the press.

I think it's bloody everywhere. I have seen it so much. Its pretty obvious to me which men have this in them and yes the behaviour is not in isolation.
But with people not condemning woody I wonder if its because its coming out everywhere? Will there be music we can listen too, films we can watch etc..

The whole micheal Jackson thing...

God I wish it was as clear as that to me and I could just know absolutely that she’s telling the truth

I'm absolutely convinced that Dylan told the truth.
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