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to be confused about the Dylan Farrow claims when reading what Moses Farrow has to say?

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papayasareyum · 30/01/2018 17:25

during the MeToo campaign recently, there’s been loads of talk about Woody Allen and questions about why he’s not been destroyed in the same way as Weinstein and others. I remember back in the nineties reading about the horrendous split between him and Mia (including Mia sending him an incredibly intricate valentine with steak knives through the photographs of her and their children) and being a bit confused about who was telling the truth because they were both making allegations. I didn’t even know Moses Farroe existed until quite recently and having read this, I’m now even more confused and wondering if it’s fair to condemn someone (Netflix are considering dropping his new venture entirely) when the courts wouldn’t take it further. Anyway, this is what Moses has to say. He’s now a 39 year old marriage therapist. I’m wondering why he’s never been on tv talking about this?
ronanfarrowletter.wordpress.com/2018/01/04/moses-farrow-speaks-out/

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grannytomine · 30/01/2018 22:12

It seems odd that she is so friendly with Polanski who by his own admission had sex with a 13 year old.

Eltonjohnssyrup · 31/01/2018 09:10

What Moses says doesn't add up (although it doesn't mean he's lying either). In his account he says Mia regularly made them lie about things by confessing to stuff they hadn't done which she thought they had. He gives the examples of the pills, tape measure and curtains.

That being the case, it means even if Dylan did say her mother had asked her to say something which wasn't true, it may well not have been abuse allegations but something completely unrelated like leaving a light on. I don't see why, given the rest of the account, it should be assumed to be abuse allegations.

Looking at Farrows children, one is married to her stepfather, one died after a long struggle with drugs and MH issues, another committed suicide, one alleges abuse by Farrow, one by Allen, one was passed off as the father of the wrong man for most of his life.

It really makes you wonder about the US adoption system. It seems to stink. Why was she allowed to adopt all those children? Why did nobody follow up on their welfare?

Another case is Angelina Jolie, when she adopted her first child, by her own account she was newly released from psychiatric hold at a mental hospital with a long history of psychiatric problems, she was recovering from drug addiction and was married to a man with a self confessed history of domestic violence. Yet she was allowed to adopt a small vulnerable child. The woman who processed Maddox's adoption was later sent to jail for child trafficking. I wonder what we'll hear from that family in the future?

Because of the Kilshaw case in the 90s where a pair of twins were sold once to an American couple then once to the (very dodgy) Kilshaws in the U.K., international adoptions here are treated the same as UK ones and you go through the same level of scrutiny. It's just a shame the US doesn't do the same to stop narcissistic people baby collecting when they are unsuitable.

papayasareyum · 31/01/2018 09:18

yes, when Lark was dying in squalor, Mia was on another mercy mission overseas. Fucked up values there.

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AdalindSchade · 31/01/2018 09:22

The US has a very strange approach to adoption full stop

MargaretCavendish · 31/01/2018 09:29

I just read that Daily Beast article posted upthread and it's horrible. It genuinely seems to suggest that Mia Farrow having an affair was morally equivalent to Woody Allen abusing a child.

NotBadConsidering · 31/01/2018 09:34

It seems odd that she is so friendly with Polanski who by his own admission had sex with raped a 13 year old.

Fixed it for you.

MoseShrute · 31/01/2018 11:08

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

picklemepopcorn · 31/01/2018 11:46

I've just read up on roman polanski. He had a hell of a life. Real trauma. No excuse, though. Clearly attracted to pubescent girls.

slug · 31/01/2018 11:59

I believe Dylan. Dylan was there. Moses wasn't.

Batmanwearspants · 31/01/2018 12:16

Mia might have been a really shit parent. But the only person who is to blame for what happened to Mia is Woody Allen.

Sick of the actions of men being blamed on the actions of women.

lookingforthecorkscrew · 31/01/2018 12:18

Mia Farrow is clearly batshit. Woody Allen is a creep, and tbh I think he’s guilty as sin. But this whole situation is so murky I’m not sure anyone will ever be able to unpick it and get to the truth.

southeastdweller · 31/01/2018 12:44

I believe that she believes it happened but not that he did it. Good on Diane Keaton for sticking her neck out and having some balls.

Eltonjohnssyrup · 31/01/2018 13:01

Mia might have been a really shit parent. But the only person who is to blame for what happened to Mia is Woody Allen.

Well, no. If she mentally and physically abused her children she's responsible for that.

Elendon · 31/01/2018 13:33

That's a huge and unsubstantiated if there Eltonjohnssyrup

Careful! This is a public forum.

What we do know is that Woody Allen married his step daughter.

southeastdweller · 31/01/2018 13:39

But the only person who is to blame for what happened to Mia is Woody Allen.

What a stupid conclusion to make. But maybe you know Mia?

SusanBunch · 31/01/2018 13:41

What makes you so sure that it didn't happen southeastern? She is a 32 year old woman who still has vivid memories of her abuse. But you think that's all a fantasy?

southeastdweller · 31/01/2018 13:45

I think Mia coached her.

Eltonjohnssyrup · 31/01/2018 13:48

But Elendon, that's what Moses is claiming. If we believe Mia then why not him? Unless you're going to go down the ridiculous road of saying men lie and women don't? I suspect they're both telling the truth FWIW. Think the whole family is a shitshow of fuck up.

SusanBunch · 31/01/2018 13:50

I think Mia coached her.

Based on what? Maybe YOU know Mia then?

Elendon · 31/01/2018 13:55

Did I say I believed in Mia? or Moses?

Your point is superfluous and I was merely trying to help Eltonjohnssyrup

I'll not bother in future.

Fact: Woody Allen married his step daughter.

Shadow666 · 31/01/2018 14:09

Ronan is a smart guy and very successful. Of all of them I think he speaks a lot of sense. There have been other rumors about woody for years.

It’s not unusual for adopted children to struggle in life irrespective of their upbringing. I believe some of the children Mia adopted had serious health problems.

I believe Dylan.

southeastdweller · 31/01/2018 14:20

Based on what? Maybe YOU know Mia then?
Based on her being an actress, and hysterical, demented and hell bent on revenge because of the Soon Yi affair- 'You took my daughter, now I'm going to take yours' - and because of the brainwashing that allegedly went on: ronanfarrowletter.wordpress.com/2018/01/04/moses-farrow-speaks-out/

Mia 'Mother Earth' Farrow offered to drop the allegations if Allen gave her $7,000,000.

The prosector who said there was 'probable cause'

He was never charged because the authorities never found credible evidence to support the claims despite two investigations.

Also, why don't Mia or Dylan press civil charges?

And no, Dylan's accounts are not consistent:
www.nytimes.com/1993/05/04/nyregion/doctor-cites-inconsistencies-in-dylan-farrow-s-statements.html

Mia refused to take a lie detector test - Allen did and passed.

Most importantly of all, there's no evidence.

SusanBunch · 31/01/2018 14:25

southeast what rubbish. Based on her being an actress? You have an adult woman giving an account of what happened but you choose to believe a man with questionable morals because you think the woman's mother is 'hysterical'? I am sure Mia is not a great parent and that the entire family is fucked up, but it takes some real coaching to make someone completely convinced that they were abused when they were not.

southeastdweller · 31/01/2018 14:32

So what are you basing your belief on Susan?

southeastdweller · 31/01/2018 14:36

Not metioned in this thread but Mia's brother is a child molester - www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/15/mia-farrows-brother-john-charles-villiers-farrow-child-sex-abuse_n_2139583.html

Also, I wonder how she squares her belief about her daughter's abuse with her support for her old friend Polanski, that notorious child rapist?