To think Corbyn's maths is wrong again

[Rebeccaslicker]

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/28/jeremy-corbyn-announces-labour-will-buy-every-homeless-person/amp/

How is this going to work? Does he mean "give" as in legally transfer or does he mean no rent? How does he think the houses are going to be maintained and utility bills paid? Is it fair on people who've been on waiting lists? Is it really going to reduce the numbers of homeless people if it becomes seen as a quick way to skip the queue?

I got back to my car in an NCP the other night, to find 5 homeless people right next to it with foil and needles. They were also going through some wallets (which may well have been their own; I didn't stop to check of course). The state of them was very sad and although I did feel intimidated at first, I also didn't report them because I thought, where else would they go - it's chucking it down. But then again, no way would they be able to look after a house. They were like zombies.

He's absolutely right to want to do something about the homeless situation. There should be more lots more help. But I don't think this is the answer. AIBU?

Make you forgot to add that borrowing is down, unemployment is down, inflation is down.

Just saying

Nor did they work before that - see Callaghan

And we must remember about Callahan, the world had just been subjected to quite a long period of crisis regarding the oil shocks. Does that explain it all? Perhaps not.

What we do know about Thatcher, and it is well documented, she set about on ideological grounds to reshape the nations economy along monetarist lines....deliberately attacking industry.

Sadly I think Rebecca is right and that too many of us living in this country, privileged people who don’t have to worry about housing and food, are just not prepared to part with a bit more. It is much easier to scoff at the idea of filling empty homes with homeless people, telling each other that actually these homeless people don’t want homes, they’re drug addicts beyond help, they’re not families and children. It’s easier to close to say ‘impossible! The numbers don’t add up!’ than it is to admit the man might have a point, that we need to prioritise people having just the basics, that empty houses don’t make sense, that it isn’t fair or right in a progressive, rich, society to have people going cold and hungry. Very sadly we’re not there yet which is why these political ideals are not winning the majority of voters. However, I do think we are getting there. Despite false protestations that the middle income bleeding hearts are sitting pretty on the moral high ground waiting for the rich to bail out the poor, there are amazing things happening to help others all over, alas not at a systemic level, actions of charity and support from people of all incomes and backgrounds.

I tell you what. Those of you who feel that hand outs are the way forward please go and volunteer at the night shelter or get a job at the housing department or a housing association or a drug rehab centre or volunteer for homestart.

Then tell me how you help those who don't want helping. It's a permanent frustration of those working in any form of social care or housing that people are entitled to live how they choose and decline well intentioned help and support.

I read of a homeless guy in my town. Lots of people posting on Facebook "won't someone give home some food or some tarpaulin or some shoes" ALL of the local resources and emergency services had been out and chatted to this man and he told every single one of them to fuck off. That's quite standard.

I see momentum make still cant tell the difference between deficit and debt. There really should be an intelligence test before some people can vote, that would stop most of the nonsense momentum posts.

No one is denying some people don’t want help. There are lots and lots who do though.

A lot of the homeless are homeless because they have been evicted. Due to non payment or antisocial behaviour. Are the left suggesting we don't need to pay our rent? Because they would just rehouse and rehouse, even if they were antisocial because nobody should be left homeless?

Money has to pay for other things, healthcare for example. Education.
What I dislike about the left is their insistence we should all have the same income , irrelevant of effort or sacrifice.

Is that really your mentality? You would be willing to evict yourself and inflict consciously antisocial behaviour on other people in order to be housed for free? And that homeless people deserve it?Because actually I don’t think most people would. I’d rather have antisocial people off the streets anyway.

Totally agree more money is need in health and education. Shame there are being so many cuts made.

Money has to pay for other things, healthcare for example. Education.
What I dislike about the left is their insistence we should all have the same income , irrelevant of effort or sacrifice.

Are you getting socialism mixed up with communism? I've never heard any labour politicians say we must all have the same income.

What I dislike about the left is their insistence we should all have the same income , irrelevant of effort or sacrifice.

There are some who support this, but very few. Most modern socialist models do not propose this, only that extremes of inequality are indicative of a society that is not functioning properly.

I don’t think it’s possible for everyone to have the same income, not do I want it. But i don’t think that it’s too much to want everyone to have the basics.
And whilst some high earners work bloody hard, lots don’t and a lot of low earners work hard. Effort doesn’t always equate income. It’s mainly to do with the circumstances you are born into and raised in.

Of course everyone shouldn't have the same income. Wealthy people should be able to borrow money from a bank to buy a house and people without wealth should get a house for free. Its called wealth redistribution.

and people without wealth should get a house for free

There are some models that make a pretty good argument for free housing. I think most agree, however, that payments should be made, just that some can only pay a small amount.

It's a permanent frustration of those working in any form of social care or housing that people are entitled to live how they choose and decline well intentioned help and support.

I think that is a really valid point. You and I would jump at the chance of a warm, clean bed as opposed to a park bench, but that's not the priority of others.

so the lack of right wing opinions you are perceiving may not mean no Tory supporters on MN, it may mean they don’t want to out themselves as such.

I'm a Tory supporter and am happy to 'out' myself. I don't feel the need to hide for any reason, and I'm sure there are many others on MN who feel the same.

I'm lib dem but will vote Tory when I feel the need. I voted Tory last election as our MP is so good and has brought a lot of investment to the town and works for causes I'm passionate about. I vote thinking locally and not harbouring "left vs right" politics

Julie don’t forget about the people with not much wealth paying the wealthy people rent to live in houses that will pay off the money the wealthy borrowed from the bank and increase ultimately increase their wealth.

Julie don’t forget about the people with not much wealth paying the wealthy people rent to live in houses that will pay off the money the wealthy borrowed from the bank and increase ultimately increase their wealth.

Just don't make the assumption that all those people who rent out homes are Conservative voters

I would not assume something so ridiculous. For starters many landlords are from overseas.

don’t forget about the people with not much wealth paying the wealthy people rent to live in houses

Remember Corbyns great idea for people with not very much money to give £40,000-£50-,000 to wealthy middle class people to go to university.

I wonder who has the policy of the wealthy people paying more tax to allow poorer students to go to university at no expense?

Remember Corbyns great idea for people with not very much money to give £40,000-£50-,000 to wealthy middle class people to go to university.

Was it earmarked for the middle classes? Why can't we poor people go to uni too?

I don't ask a lot of questions, but let me ask...what is this thing we have against working class kids going to uni? I read all these things. It seems people are uncomfortable with it.