To think Corbyn's maths is wrong again

[Rebeccaslicker]

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/28/jeremy-corbyn-announces-labour-will-buy-every-homeless-person/amp/

How is this going to work? Does he mean "give" as in legally transfer or does he mean no rent? How does he think the houses are going to be maintained and utility bills paid? Is it fair on people who've been on waiting lists? Is it really going to reduce the numbers of homeless people if it becomes seen as a quick way to skip the queue?

I got back to my car in an NCP the other night, to find 5 homeless people right next to it with foil and needles. They were also going through some wallets (which may well have been their own; I didn't stop to check of course). The state of them was very sad and although I did feel intimidated at first, I also didn't report them because I thought, where else would they go - it's chucking it down. But then again, no way would they be able to look after a house. They were like zombies.

He's absolutely right to want to do something about the homeless situation. There should be more lots more help. But I don't think this is the answer. AIBU?

Enthusiastic I don't agree, though I'm pretty sure which party they vote for by the colour of their language and the depth of their ire.

I am far more willing to read a well constructed argument than the bile that's on here sometimes.

As it was observed in the last election social media was buzzing with noise from labour therefore assuming a majority.

I'll look forward to the Mumsnet announcement to political affiliation.

Your assumptions are breathtakingly off target and well a little patronising.

Only read first pages. Many British homeless have been in the so called care system, been abused and that's one of reasons why they take drugs. Why not buck up the care system into something that's fit for use and focus more on children there, protect them and nurture them.. Then we may see less people on the streets.

Drugs are escapism, what is person escaping from..

No stats = utterly unfounded guesswork, @EnthusiasmIsDisturbed. Or ‘making things up and hoping you don’t get called on it’.

If you had said that, in your experience of MN, and observing political threads, you believe that the majority of MNers are left-leaning, that would have been different - but if you state something as a fact, you need to be able to back it up.

And even if you had talked about your observation etc etc, that doesn’t take into account my point about Tory supporters not being willing to face the calumny and ire they think they’d get on here, if they put their heads above the parapet - so the lack of right wing opinions you are perceiving may not mean no Tory supporters on MN, it may mean they don’t want to out themselves as such.

Ok in my opinion MN appears to have more left wing posters

That is the impression I have gained from the discussions I have take part in and read and it is a subject that has frequently been discussed on here, there have been a number of threads in the subject

billie I am not sure what you find patronising. I certainly never posted that Labour would win the last election and if anything often feel embarrassed about fellow left wingers scorn of anyone voting conservative

I haven’t seen many Tory posters on here either - but as I said, I suspect any who did put their head above the parapet would get it shot off! Hell - until real gut now I have never dared say that I am married to a conservative voter, even though I am a left-leaning woolly liberal myself, because I am not sure that would be considered acceptable.

So Tories have burnt the toast and there is some smoke coming out the window. Corbyn screams fire and decides to drop a bomb on the house to put it out?

Its Corbyn we need to lock up before he destroys the whole place.

*So Tories have burnt the toast and there is some smoke coming out the window. Corbyn screams fire and decides to drop a bomb on the house to put it out?

Its Corbyn we need to lock up before he destroys the whole place.*

😂😂 do you work for the bbc? They're good at making Corbyn responsible for all the Tory cockups too.

I have never dared say that I am married to a conservative voter, even though I am a left-leaning woolly liberal myself, because I am not sure that would be considered acceptable.

This is another reason why I'd never vote labour again. The horrible name calling and nastiness from so many labour supporters about anyone who dares to have a different opinion to them. Posters in windows locally saying be never trust a Tory, no Torys welcome here. I don't want to be any part of a party where that's considered acceptable.

You re refusing to vote for the Labour Party despite agreeing with their policies because some of their supporters call other people names???

There's people out here dying because of Tory policies but you don't want to vote to change that because someone said the tories are nasty?

We have so far to go don't we? So much inequality - and it is getting worse. It is.

And it is bad for society - this division of inequality.

Listen Conservatives, no one wants to take your Mercedes-Benz automobiles. Or your country weekend home. Or your Saville Road suits and ties.

What we must do is understand that society functions better, our species stands a better chance of survival, if we make sure we take care of the basics for everyone before we move on to Mercedes-Benz automobiles and these AGA stoves and fancy Saville Road suits.

Safe and warm housing. Quality, healthful foods. An opportunity to expand the mind through education. Healthcare.

These very basic requirements can be met. If we work together.

No happiness that's not the only reason. But it's one of them. I'd said earlier what that was. I hate what labour has become.

Makeourfuture Listen Conservatives, no one wants to take your Mercedes-Benz automobiles. Or your country weekend home. Or your Saville Road suits and ties. *
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You think everyone who votes Tory has a merc, a second home and shops at saville row? Lol.

Listen make. Before you can get people to agree with that, you need to get them to accept the fact that you're planning to tax them much more highly for the work they do to give the money to other people to provide those things.

Meanwhile the people who have been taxed are going to have to fund their own roof, heating, food etc from their reduced income.

So.... How are you going to make that palatable to them? Because just chanting, "we can do it!" isnt. going. to. do. it.

Unless/until you can do that, you're never going to get tories to vote labour, and you're never going to encourage high earners and investors to pay for your utopia (I remember your description of ideal housing estates, argh, gave me nightmares!!) if enough swing voters tip the balance.

Well, we seem to agree on other things don't we? For instance we understand the need for a military service. Even during times of peace. Roads are important and we have a pretty good system in place.

Education is not really about each individual, but that society functions better when the public is educated. Our sewage treatment system exists for public health reasons.

Why then is food not seen in the same light? Why not shelter and warmth?

Because you're talking about hitting people in their pockets. Many people already feel they pay enough tax. You're expecting them to pay what will realistically be significantly more, leaving them in different circumstances to what they are used to.

So - to get them to vote for your policies, you need to persuade them that they're better off paying 50% or 55% tax to your government and not having a cleaner/holiday/new car so that other families can have food/heating, than they would be paying 40% tax to the tories and spending the surplus on what they like.

How do you approach that campaign to win "hearts and minds"? Because slogans just won't work. They'll entrench people in the opposite position and you'll get called a bot!

Listen Conservatives, no one wants to take your Mercedes-Benz automobiles. Or your country weekend home. Or your Saville Road suits and ties.

How many people who vote Tory have these things do you reckon? answer is not many

Looks like Momentum Head Office was open early this morning Make!

One more week and I am on afternoons!

I strongly suspect Make is, in fact, a Conservative voter.

Because his propaganda posts cannot possibly be helping Momentum or the Labour Party.

I strongly suspect Make is, in fact, a Conservative voter.

No. What you will not do is fill social media with lazy right wing things like, "Oh the left will wreck the economy" unchallenged.

That is the propaganda.

You are proving my point, Make.

Thanks for your input! Now let's get busy! We have a lot to fix!

Erm - how can you tell someone what they "will not do", mr Stalin?!

Unchallenged.

An example:

"It's not smart to run up credit card debt, my Grandfather said so"

You see this in discussions on economics. As a reason to run down social services

That is a lazy propaganda. Micro and macro are different.

Or better: Corbyn's maths don't add up. With "again" tacked on.

Perhaps they do, perhaps they don't. What we know for an absolute fact is that debt under the Tories is growing. Their maths don't add up. "Austerity" is not working.

And Labour Party policies didn't work last time they were in power. Nor did they work before that - see Callaghan! That's both new and old labour that "wasn't working".

Your point is?