To think Corbyn's maths is wrong again

[Rebeccaslicker]

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/28/jeremy-corbyn-announces-labour-will-buy-every-homeless-person/amp/

How is this going to work? Does he mean "give" as in legally transfer or does he mean no rent? How does he think the houses are going to be maintained and utility bills paid? Is it fair on people who've been on waiting lists? Is it really going to reduce the numbers of homeless people if it becomes seen as a quick way to skip the queue?

I got back to my car in an NCP the other night, to find 5 homeless people right next to it with foil and needles. They were also going through some wallets (which may well have been their own; I didn't stop to check of course). The state of them was very sad and although I did feel intimidated at first, I also didn't report them because I thought, where else would they go - it's chucking it down. But then again, no way would they be able to look after a house. They were like zombies.

He's absolutely right to want to do something about the homeless situation. There should be more lots more help. But I don't think this is the answer. AIBU?

He really is a silly sod isn’t he! Ah well another few years of the tories until we get a credible leader to kick out momentum.

History repeating itself

A poor campaign? Or a dodgy, hateful platform?

The fact that they still won should speak volumes about the popularity of JC and the shit campaign they ran.

Not whataboutry about right wing media or propaganda when it is labour voters telling you that they cannot vote for JC/McDonald and co.

Make, now you know JRM was talking about the community contribution, support and voluntary work , but nice try.

"Labour will be swept away - they will be a rump"

Every headline the day before the GE.

So we end up with the DUP.

They don’t give a crap about labour voters. They prefer opposition because it’s much easier. Labour is in crisis until it changes leadership.

Who is running this country now? The Cabinet is openly briefing against the PM.

They didn’t win make and the poll ratings have gone down and down since then.

Cobbled together with the DUP.

You are obviously in double down mode today make, ignoring pretty much everything put to you.

Any view may on the mysogy and bullying to Claire in Haringay??

Parallel to militant tendency and the macho bullying tactics then? What do you think? Claire a very respected leader and a staunch labour member? What’s Corbyn going to do?

We would already have a Labour government were it not for Corbyn.

In fact I would have more respect for Labour if they fought against Momentum, but they just seem to roll on the backs to have their bellies rubbed.

Make why isn't anyone doing anything about Momentum - what the gossip at Momentum' office water cooler?

Do you feel Labour bullying and silencing labour women and self id have a link Make?

So no answer regarding the bullying and mysogyny then? Don’t momrntum have a soundbite for that?

Harriet Harmon who I have massive respect for just interviewed on radio 5 saying the claire situation cannot he swept under the carpet!

I think it already has

Make why isn't anyone doing anything about Momentum - what the gossip at Momentum' office water cooler?

Momentum arose as spontaneous movement following Jeremy's surprise win as leader. There has been for some time a vast sea of people who feel that we must return to seeking social equality.

Both Jeremy Corbyn and Momentum are a reaction to these feelings that only through equality can we progress. They are not the drivers. The sick, the poor, the workers, the carers are the ones driving this. The many, not the few.

Sound bites again!

What action will labour take over the haringsy suruation. Answers the question properly

Started a thread on it so maybe you can go there and let us know the specific way Labour will deal with this awful situation?

@ making

We can only “progress” through the election of a Labour government. Had it not been for Corbyn and Momentum we would already have one.

What action will labour take over the haringsy suruation

I am not in charge of that situation. It should be closely examined and if it is found that there were indeed bad things done, those responsible should be expelled.

As should anyone be who personally targets any other member.

We will win together, not apart.

We will win together, not apart.

I think I've seen that on the side of a bus somewhere.

Labour are currently tying themselves in knots trying to come up with a Brexit policy which will attract the REMAIN vote.

Corbyn and Momentum are hard line Brexiteers - because continued membership of the single market/customs union would prevent them bringing in the kind of radical change they want. So to this extent they line up with Rees Mogg and the Tory loons.

BUT they realise that saying that will alienate the centrist Labour vote and scare off the Tory left. So they are trying to agree on a fudge whereby we leave the EU and remain in the single market and or Customs Union. But that will involve continuing to accept freedom of movement. And that position will alienate the traditional Labour working class vote who are anti immigration. They could defect to UKIP - but they could also be picked up by a more right leaning Tory party ala Thatcher.

So both traditional parties are up the proverbial creek. Which is why we need a radical reform of British politics along leave and remain lines. Jezza and Moggy on one side of the House and Ken and Keir on the other.

"The sick, the poor, the workers, the carers" - the problem with Corbyn's ideology is that they aren't the ones earning the money to pay for things. And if you piss off the high earners, or make the economic climate so uninviting that you greatly reduce investment and business and entrepreneurs, then who pays for it? If you're the kind of muppet who just shrieks "tax the rich", how are you going to make the rich willing to pay tax to benefit others? You're just going to create division.

You have to find a happy medium that balances providing for people who need it whilst also not penalising those who pay for it to the extent that they refuse or go elsewhere.

Neither labour nor Tory has got anywhere near that happy medium in my view!

Stats oh please

I have been on here long enough, been on enough threads, engaged in enough discussions to come to that understanding

Many claim not to vote come election time many do respond to who will you vote for, I know some may not engage but the very nature of many of the discussions will become political even without political parties being mentioned and you can often gain peoples political leanings