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To think Corbyn's maths is wrong again

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Rebeccaslicker · 28/01/2018 12:48

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/28/jeremy-corbyn-announces-labour-will-buy-every-homeless-person/amp/

How is this going to work? Does he mean "give" as in legally transfer or does he mean no rent? How does he think the houses are going to be maintained and utility bills paid? Is it fair on people who've been on waiting lists? Is it really going to reduce the numbers of homeless people if it becomes seen as a quick way to skip the queue?

I got back to my car in an NCP the other night, to find 5 homeless people right next to it with foil and needles. They were also going through some wallets (which may well have been their own; I didn't stop to check of course). The state of them was very sad and although I did feel intimidated at first, I also didn't report them because I thought, where else would they go - it's chucking it down. But then again, no way would they be able to look after a house. They were like zombies.

He's absolutely right to want to do something about the homeless situation. There should be more lots more help. But I don't think this is the answer. AIBU?

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Believeitornot · 31/01/2018 07:22

Which is all well and good but politics is on a spectrum which means we are perfectly entitled to challenge and say “what’s the alternative”.

So you think JC’s policy is ridiculous. But I can’t see a better one from TM.

falang · 31/01/2018 07:41

Corbyn is just a fool. The Labour Party are no longer the party for working class people (me). I'd never vote for him. McConnell is dangerous too.

makeourfuture · 31/01/2018 07:51

Well then let's not invite an arsonist with a can of petrol to the party, eh?

Well that is it.

The arsonist is in charge. Taking an ideological flame thrower to our social structures.

How else to explain the running down of the NHS?

Let's stay focused and work through this together!

makeourfuture · 31/01/2018 08:00

I will offer an olive branch.

Today let's focus on examining this current Tory regime. Things they have done well, and things they have not done so well.

Tomorrow we can look at possible predictions, as best we can, regarding Labour.

Justanotherlurker · 31/01/2018 08:11

Today let's focus on examining this current Tory regime. Things they have done well, and things they have not done so well.

This thread is about Corbyn and any thread even hinting on political you are there with whatabout-isms about the evil tories.

You could start a thread on the evil tories and it would no doubt be full by the end of the say, so kock yourself out

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 31/01/2018 08:16

Not many on here are supporters of the Conservative party

Many of us just want a credible Labour Party and when you have voted for them for years/been a member I want to moan about them and shall continue to do so

Yesterday it was reported that they had lost a few thousands members I am joining that number it’s tiresome hearing Corbyn bleat on about party membership numbers, do some real work on making a difference to Brexit which I receive very little mention of about via party emails no instead receive utter nonsense emails about how The Establishment Should Be Scared ffs it’s embarrassing

It’s run now by back bench rebels who never achieved anything in 30
odd years for the public and who are not achieving anything now but hey they have got the party they wanted Hmm

makeourfuture · 31/01/2018 08:24

OK.

But can we at least agree that the current Tory/DUP regime is doing terrible things to our social structures.

Can we at least make that seemingly obvious truth be our foundation? And then move on to possible Labour scenarios?

Because this is happening now. And it is urgent.

LifeBeginsAtGin · 31/01/2018 08:26

morning Mr Lansman Make.

Ready for more Momentum propoganda and bullying.

littlebillie · 31/01/2018 08:33

Enthusiasm I think you need to look back st the last election and see that there was a fair old vote for conservative. I think it is typical that you think that hardly anyone on here votes conservatives. It is incredibly patronising to think that mumsnet is the bastion of labour members. It isn't.

What I find on here is that any credible political discussion ends up bashing the conservatives. I end up not bothering to engage because it's pointless.

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Rebeccaslicker · 31/01/2018 08:35

I find on here that most of the labour voters tend to think they are morally superior. Look at creambun2, for example - "anyone who votes Tory should hang their head in shame", or other comments about people voting for what will make other people's lives worse (seriously! One PP actually believes this!).

That tends to shut down debate immediately.

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littlebillie · 31/01/2018 08:45

I more amused by the illusion of power women think they have in the Labour Party. The men will never ever let them have power as the union base is male.

The SID also will make a mockery of the female representation will not be biologically female.

May I say I respect anyone's choice on who they vote for, I would not ever describe a voter is a derogatory term.
Those who do should "hang their heads in shame" as last time I checked we lived in free democratic country.

LifeBeginsAtGin · 31/01/2018 08:50

anyone who votes Tory should hang their head in shame

BINGO!

granny24 · 31/01/2018 09:00

And there's me thinking that the last Labour gov. reduced rough sleeping, took the NHS to record levels of satisfaction, and the head of the TU C is a woman. Silly old me. Oh also thought Diane Abbot was pretty bright being a black girl getting to Oxbridge then onto the fast track of CS

makeourfuture · 31/01/2018 09:07

Diane Abbot was pretty bright

Big Abbot fan! Sweet lord she catches racist/misogynistic hell but stays in the fight.

granny24 · 31/01/2018 09:12

Couldn't agree more that she is one bright brave lady, But lots of people think we would be better led by a white (orange) male businessman😀

Justanotherlurker · 31/01/2018 09:26

The last labour government just moved rough sleepers out to HMO's in dilapidated seaside towns, only a temporary solution, and since they took us to war they didn't have to deal with a lot of ex service men returning from Iraq. That is also ignoring the thorny issue that a significant proportion of rough sleepers/homeless are in fact eastern european.

Also many of the issues that the NHS is facing today are related to the PFI deals, but this is where many Labour supporters start with the whatabout..

Also regarding Dianne, being clever does not automatically mean you are competent, she is out of depth in the job and was only promoted because she stood by JC, if they did come to power she will be moved on very quickly indeed, and considering you seem to be using the ID Pol rhetoric of people wanting to be governed by White men, then we will gloss over her racist past because even using your no doubt definition, she has more privilege and power than white nurses and council estate mothers.

makeourfuture · 31/01/2018 09:37

she is out of depth

Have you ever really listened to Gove? Johnson?

littlebillie · 31/01/2018 09:41

life begins 🙄** its so easy to on an imagined higher ground. As I said before we live in a free democratic country we can vote for who we wish.

I would say those who are heaving this crap 💩 if anyone dares to disagree with them should take a long hard look at themselves.

makeourfuture · 31/01/2018 09:42

Rees Mogg: Food banks indicate things are going well.

That is real genius there.

LifeBeginsAtGin · 31/01/2018 09:45

significant proportion of rough sleepers/homeless are in fact eastern european.

Yes, I remember Keith Vas turning up at Luton Airport to welcome them allpersonally "Welcome, the streets of Windsor are this way..."

On a serious note, I agree. Our local council are bull dozing an area of old properties and most of the residents have been moved out. The little shopping square should be empty, but it now full of mainly eastern europeans lying out on in the footpaths on drugs or drunk in doorways.

Justanotherlurker · 31/01/2018 09:45

Again with the whatabout make, one can disagree with a few people and not be so partisan.

And I doubt you would give an inch, but I do think credit is due to Gove in his current role.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 31/01/2018 09:48

MN is mainly left wing

Many on this thread are labour voters who are very unhappy with the party at the moment that’s what I was replying to and I shall continue to complain about the state of the party

And I agree the Tory bashing is tiresome and that many seem to feel they are morally superior becuase they put a cross against Labour or have done is embarrassing

I am well aware that the conservatives even with a very poor election campaign still gained a very high percentage of voters similar to when Thatcher was at her most popular

Yes Corbyn and co choose to ignore this and still bleat on about party membership Hmm

makeourfuture · 31/01/2018 09:52

a very poor election campaign

A poor campaign? Or a dodgy, hateful platform?

makeourfuture · 31/01/2018 09:53

How do you campaign for more food banks?

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 31/01/2018 09:53

Unless you have some statistical evidence, @EnthusiasmIsDisturbed, you cannot declare that MN is mainly left wing, as if it is fact.

Maybe it is - or maybe there are Conservative supporters on here who do not lift their heads above the parapet because they know they would get all sorts of abuse from people who cannot imagine that someone intelligent and thoughtful might think about the issues and make a different choice.