To think this delusional dirty pervert should stay exactly where he is and starve if that's what he wants?

[QOFE]

There is currently a delightful person on hunger strike because the prison service won't "recognise their gender" and send them to a women's prison.

see here

Nobody seems to want to mention the fact that they are in fact a sex offender and voyeur who broke into teenage girls bedrooms to wank into their underwear

Why the hell they think they should be in a women's prison is completely beyond me. Anyone able to enlighten me?

I work with women in prison and there would be uproar where this man moved to the women's estate.

He can stay at HMP Preston. This prison thing now is tiresome with the trans lobby.

And I know this individual. It is pathetic he is coming out with this flaky position.

People on that reddit going "yeah but shes female." i just want to scream

I wonder if they'd say the same of a paedophile claiming to be a child. 'he says he's a child so he IS a child. Send him back to primary school where he can be his true self!

Wait .....

guardianfree that’s a really important point you make. Let’s push the gender self- ID advocates to publicly play out their position to the logical conclusion. And then everyone can see clearly where that leaves women.

ChattyLion Actually, I disagree. If this is passed it will be hard to get the genie back in the bottle. I've seen a lot of arguments advocating this saying it will open people's eyes but even if it did, I cannot see it being reversed with a howling minority on Twitter and the like lobbying and crying bigotry and transphobia. Can you also please tell me what natal woman means when you said "natal women who ID as trans are always welcome in women- only spaces if they want to use them"? I googled it and got ""Genetic women are regarded as having the mana of a lifetime of experience as women and consequently are highly valued as cohorts in the passing process." which does not make any sense to me whatsoever.

Not sure if I explained myself properly in that post. What I mean is if you think to history regarding interracial or gay marriage, once it's announced and signed into law, even if a majority disagreed with it I can't imagine a government (in this country) overturning it or changing the law again. The difference being between the two aforementioned things and the GRA thing is fact and fiction. Two people of different colours or two people of the same sex marrying is fact. Self-certifying yourself as a gender you are not is fiction.

Mumsnet has really opened my eyes. I would’ve just blindly supported the self ID movement without much thought of its logical conclusion in the name of equality. I would never have imagined that it would potentially result in actual women losing rights as a result.

Thank you.

This story is a sick joke and I think I may stop reading the Guardian because if they’ve deliberately misreported this case, they probably do it regularly. I stopped logging on to the Daily Mail two years ago so it won’t be a big loss to me. I just wish The Times wasn’t behind a paywall.

I just can't see that any party could campaign on a platform of "women no longer means 'adult human female' " or "we advocate experimental drugs for children under the age of consent" - people wouldn't vote for them. But both of these are positions that self ID means and the trans pressure groups want - and thus the Labour party is advocating.

That is why all the language continually shifts so the general public can't understand the reality behind the slogans and Corbyn goes on about looking at the person in front of him rather than the label.
Well I'm looking at a convicted paedophile and pervert campaigning to be allowed into a women's prison - and supported by the Labour party.

Well I'm looking at a convicted paedophile and pervert campaigning to be allowed into a women's prison - and supported by the Labour party

And this is the current, real face of the issue. I wish someone would ask this question of Labour leaders, live on camera.

OK I'm going to mention the elephant in the room.
Which group considers Bobby Sands a role model?

Yes was just coming on to say that. Jeremy Corbyn on the Andrew Marr show this morning saying that he believed in gender self identification, so this means he supports that this pervert would be allowed in women's prisons.

Wake the fuck up everyone. There is no way to tell genuine trans people from predators who self identify as women. Gender self ID is dangerous for women and girls

Yeah send him. It's more punishment. I'm OK with that.

No. Just no.

Which group considers Bobby Sands a role model?

Oh dear. I presume you haven't heard many trad Irish songs.

I left a message on the DM story last night but this afternoon it's saying 'sorry we are not accepting comments on this story'. Anybody else seeing that?!

Somebody left a brilliant comment just before me. I'd put money on it being left by one of you It summarised everything we are saying. The last time I checked it had 6 thumbs down and nearly 900 thumbs up. That's a good indictor of public feeling I think. Heartening.

Right! I'm off to buy The Time on Sunday. Consider myself an ex-Guardian reader now.

I am all for trans people having their own safe spaces I think especially for transwomen this is needed as I don’t doubt they are threatened by many men and maybe prison is one place where a separate section is needed

Or in public life to have men/unisex/women facilities

But the trans movement are not interested in that as they want to be accepted as women with no questions asked how can they claim to be women yet ignore how real women (yes real women biology can’t be ignored that’s procreation)

And I simply don’t believe hundreds of transwomen have been in women’s spaces for years unnoticed they have been few and far between and probably not had anything said to them as women have been conditioned to be more accepting and understanding and putting forward others first not anymore not when it’s becoming so aggressive and so obviously driven by male entitlement and hatred of real women

Unfinished the Times has a £3 for 3 months subscription offer at the moment.

I have subscribed, based on the work they have been doing around women's rights and trans issues. Made me realise how important journalism is in ensuring a proper debate. That's worth far more to me than the cost of an occasional coffee.

This is a great article

notthenewsinbriefs.wordpress.com/2018/01/28/are-all-women-shortlists-transphobic/

@LangCleg

Believe me I'm fully in board with the sentiment that Self ID is a dangerous proposed piece of legislation.

My point was to say that this is a good example of how such a law could be utilised by a fetishist and is being used by the TRA lobby under the "guise" of promoting trans rights - whilst completely glossing over the sexually gratuitous nature of the offences, committed by a man against women.

The guardian I note still haven't updated their piece to note he is in prison now for breaking the terms of his licence.

So much for someone who's "worked hard to understand the reason for his behaviour" - so hard, once free from an oppressive Male prison, he was unable to keep to the terms of his release designed to protect the public.

Yet its "reasonable" to assume he'd be on best behaviour in a female prison as long as he had his make up and hair straighteners because his track record (63 convictions, breaking licence conditions etc) obviously is a good indicator of this

DarthArts sorry for the misunderstanding!

No worries!

Sorry but can someone explain the difference between liberal and socialist to me, as in the Guardian is liberal not socialist?

Anyone saying "actual women" is as transphobic as people who talk about "real marriage" are homophobic.

If you want to discriminate based on genitals then use the sex terms male and female. Man and woman are gender terms and can be fluid.

According to my trans sibling the terms male and female being linked to biological sex is also transphobic as anyone can be male or female regardless of genitalia.

Ok vinegarvera..
This is a man who committed a very male crime and is dangerous to women.

You can choose to define Man and Woman as "gender terms" but you don't get to define what they mean to me. Female - Woman, Male - Man.

If you want to discriminate based on genitals then use the sex terms male and female. Man and woman are gender terms and can be fluid.

What

The

Actual

Fuck.

What's your position on the word semantics, balsamicbarbara ?

Would it mean more to you if I relabelled it semaletics, just to make sure I SMACK you round the head with the very obvious point?