To think this delusional dirty pervert should stay exactly where he is and starve if that's what he wants?

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There is currently a delightful person on hunger strike because the prison service won't "recognise their gender" and send them to a women's prison.

see here

Nobody seems to want to mention the fact that they are in fact a sex offender and voyeur who broke into teenage girls bedrooms to wank into their underwear

Why the hell they think they should be in a women's prison is completely beyond me. Anyone able to enlighten me?

Well something has had an effect as they've updated the story - twice now.

Why does anyone feel the need to write a story that is explicitly designed to elicit sympathy for a convicted serial sexual abuser?

Remove the Trans element from this story and there would be outrage that a national newspaper was effectively backing the "rights" of such a dangerous predator to gain "special" privileges.

I don't believe this man is Trans. I believe he's a dangerous fetishist using the TRA agenda to enable his perversions. He has an incredibly long and numerous set of convictions.

Why do Trans "allies" feel this remotely supports the cause they purport to fight for? I cannot see how this does anything but marginalise Trans people who simply want to live their lives on an equal footing without discrimination and without impinging on the rights of others.

The problem is that according to current TRA dogma fetishistic crossdressers are trans They refuse to admit that autogynephilia/fetishistic crossdressing is a thing that exist, and as long as that's the case people like this dude will be offered protection and support in the same way to feminine gay boys who just want to be left alone are. More so, really, since they kick up so much more of a fuss and are so much more demanding.

Ugh, so many typos. Sleepy!

Things women need, as a basic human right, that are not required by men.
Menstrual protection? Possibly a hairtie for comfort & safety?
I presume that the prisoner has their own clothes. Sorted.

Penis crime = male prison. No Debate.

the TIM in question is not getting much sympathy on reddit:
www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/7tfodp/transgender_woman_in_male_prison_nightmare_on/

Anyone else feel like they just keep peak transing all over again?

People on that reddit going "yeah but shes female." i just want to scream.

I don't believe this man is Trans. I believe he's a dangerous fetishist using the TRA agenda to enable his perversions.

This man is absolutely trans.

Including autogynephilia under the Trans umbrella is what has led to the entire issue exploding.

He is the living embodiment of what it now means to be transgender.

Cross dressing is something that everybody knows about.

There's almost cliched feel to it. The middle-aged bank manager trying on his wife's undies when she pops out to the shops.

Many people didn't take it particularly seriously. They might feel uncomfortable calling at a fetish, even.

From what I can gather, there is a process. Maybe some men remain cross dressers and it doesn't develop into full blown autogynephilia.

But the joke in the community is what's the difference between a cross dresser and autogynephile and the answer is about two years.

Either way, I can't help feeling that gender dysphoria, a relatively rare condition, is now been wholly eclipsed by an army of cross dressing/AGP men who are pretending to be gender dysphoric in order to legitimise their fetish.

The more people who know about it the better. Because these are not, absolutely not the kind of men who should be given rights to access everything female.

They seem to have pushed it up the page now to get more attention for it on this Sunday morning, when probably more people check the site to browse.

They are absolute fuckers. It's so clearly designed to arouse sympathy for 'Marie'

People on that reddit going "yeah but shes female." i just want to scream.

I know, I wonder if they'd say the same of a paedophile claiming to be a child. 'he says he's a child so he IS a child. Send him back to primary school where he can be his true self! Never mind that he's already abused lots of kids, we should have sympathy for his being mentally ill!" Or would they consider that perhaps his claim is a little disingenuous and more about gaining access to the vulnerable group he wished to target? This is logically where being able to self identify leads.

They don't give the tinest of fucks about his victim who did actually try and kill herself because of what a predatory depraved sexual fetishist did to her.

@Collidascope - brilliant analogy.

Send him to women's prison.

Let's put it this way, do you really think the women in prison will treat him nicely for being a sex offender and abusing children? I think he'll have a harder time in women's prison than he would in a men's, and eventually he'll be put in solitary for his own safety. Nothing worse than solitary.

Yeah send him. It's more punishment. I'm OK with that.

A huge % of women in prison are sexual and violent abuse survivors. A huuuge %.
They dont need the upset of this or any man in there. Physically he's a large man, he will still be stronger than most women.

*Considering that it claims to be a left wing socialist outfit

The guardian is not, nor does it claim to be, socialist. It is a liberal paper.*

Yes, the Guardian has been liberal since it's foundation, it has never been socialist. Since the demise of the Liberal party it has been floundering about trying to find an identity, and may sometimes latch on to socialist causes, but it still isn't socialist. In effect, it's still blatantly liberal in the sense that it promotes the values and interests of the kind of middle class people who think that society should centre their interests.

It’s been repeated on the Daily Mail website but with the ‘original’ Guardian story - heavily sympathetic and leaving out the important details. Someone has set them straight in the comments, with thousands of likes. Why have they not amended the story? It is scary that this misinformation has been repeated almost verbatim on other news site.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5319993/Transgender-woman-hunger-strike-shes-male-prison.html

He won't be moved. They'll force feed him like the did Brady. Pretty soon they'll have to have smaller trans estates.

Why would he have a harder time in a women’s prison

Where he is now the treat of violence towards him will always be more frightening than the treat of female violence

Enthusiasm....the point is is that HE is a danger to women - the police said this - so putting him in a women’s prison would be a danger for the female prisoners.

Or have I misread what you have said?

Yes I know he is a threat to women

My post was a response to a post that said he would be threatened more in a woman’s prison I don’t believe that would be the case that threat of male violence is more frightening than the threat of female violence

I don't believe this man is Trans. I believe he's a dangerous fetishist using the TRA agenda to enable his perversions.

Better get on board with anti-self ID campaign then! Because this is what the proposed law changes are all about. Anyone can include themselves under the trans agenda on their own say so. Anyone can become legally a woman on their own say so. And this will include any criminal, sex offender or otherwise, on their own say so. And that will mean it will be illegal to put this bloke anywhere except for a women's prison.

Enthusiasm -ah point taken. I did wonder if I had read it wrongly!

Lang - I have responded to the Scottish Gov consultation about this issue. You do not need to be resident in Scotland to respond.

I'm trying to figure out how this issue would go over in some of the feminist groups I'm in, where they fight constantly against any sort of assault against women, yet at the same time completely support self ID and shout bigot the second try to discuss it.

It’s absolutely terrifying to think of those poor women prisoners being open to abuse by a male cell mate like this guy because he realised he could claim to be a woman and be housed in a women’s prison as a woman. WTF?!
We have to protect women-only spaces for women. Trans people can claim their own spaces if they need them. I would totally support them in that. Women must protect our safe spaces for women first though. (natal women who ID as trans are always welcome in women- only spaces if they want to use them)

I see Jeremy Corbyn has confirmed that Labour are supporting 'self identification' as opposed to having a gender recognition certificate.
I can't wait to see him intervening in 'Marie's ' case to insist that they are moved to a women's prison - as that's what self ID means so he'll have to be consistent.

This thread is why I love Mumsnet. I rarely comment but I agree with you all and am totally #peaktrans