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The one in which Trump orders his staff to fire Mueller, and they give him the finger

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PerkingFaintly · 26/01/2018 12:14

Apparently this has already happened, back in July 2017. Shock

But the orange one try again...

Trump Ordered Mueller Fired, but Backed Off When White House Counsel Threatened to Quit
www.nytimes.com/2018/01/25/us/politics/trump-mueller-special-counsel-russia.html

Coverage by Maddow: twitter.com/maddow?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 29/01/2018 23:48

I’d say the crisis has already hit.

GingerIvy · 29/01/2018 23:50

Renato Mariotti

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The GOP is now investigating the career law enforcement officials who are responsible for investigating Trump and checking his power. If this doesn’t alarm you, it should. twitter.com/chrisgeidner/status/958118521409626112

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 29/01/2018 23:52

More cheery news:

Samuel Sinyangwe
@samswey
Here’s a ridiculous, mind-blowing thread about the influence the Koch brothers have on the American political system. (1/x)
Kochs announced they’ll spend $400 MILLION on the 2018 Midterms. For context, it costs an average of $1.5 mil to win a US House race and $11 mil for Senate. So they could fully fund candidates for 61% of the House or all 34 Senate races in 2018. (2/x)

<a class="break-all" href="http://amp.timeinc.net/time/5121930/koch-brothers-fall-elections#click=t.co/U1Pj01VmwB" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">amp.timeinc.net/time/5121930/koch-brothers-fall-elections#click=t.co/U1Pj01VmwB

The Republican Party spent $673 million on the last midterm election. So, by spending $400 million, the Koch brothers essentially constitute their own political party in size and scope. But what are they doing this for? More money. (3/x)

Consider this: the GOP tax bill the Kochs “invested” in is going to make them $1 BILLION EACH YEAR. So $400 million to buy an election every two years returns their investment many times over. Literally buying the system. But it’s deeper than that. (4/x) : www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/koch-brothers-could-be-1-billion-richer-each-year-gop-tax-bill-2644857

It’s deep because this is our economic and political system. Buying GOP politicians earns donors serious money. But does it work on other side? Does giving Democrats $400 mil translate into $1 billion in personal profits? No. And it shouldn’t. But then how do we compete? (5/x)

Like we can ask rich people to spend out of the kindness of their heart, but it’s not going to be at the same scale as the people investing to make themselves richer. And it’s a huge challenge for everyday people, even millions of us, to compete with the Kochs of the world.

lionheart · 29/01/2018 23:59

Deplorables.

GingerIvy · 30/01/2018 00:06

Do you think this means some big indictments are coming down and they're attempting to distract??

TheClaws · 30/01/2018 00:16

As per earlier... GOP votes to make Nunes memo public. It now goes to the President to consider. What do you think he will do, given he is trustworthy, doesn’t hold grudges and keeps his head in a crisis?

thehill.com/policy/national-security/371280-house-intel-votes-to-make-nunes-memo-public

thebewilderness · 30/01/2018 00:20

It contains classified information so Trump can declassify it. It also contains a bunch of lies and spin which can be rebutted if Trump declassifies it.
Own goal is I think the term for Nunes machinations.

TheClaws · 30/01/2018 00:24

No sanctions for Russia.

Elana Schor @eschor
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The Trump admin has notified Congress that last year’s bipartisan Russia sanctions bill is serving as a “deterrent” and as such, specific sanctions aren’t needed at this time. From a State Dept spox:

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 30/01/2018 00:28

It’s a possibility ginger. But remember nunes is meant to be recused and pulled similar shit months ago with the press conference to discuss the confidential information he pretended he hadn’t just received from the whitehouse in an effort to derail the investigation so I think it was always on the cards. It was down to whether the republicans would enable it or not.

And perhaps the other GOPpers are too complicit now to do anything other than to see it through. If there isn’t any pushback from them on the “veto proof” sanctions or lack thereof then I think the odds of regaining norms and functioning as a democracy dramatically decrease.

From this piece written last May (the whole thing is worth read):

www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/5/12/15630372/watergate-impeachment-conservative-public-opinion-trump-history

There was a further shift in conservatives’ views of Nixon after the release of the infamous tapes, when the evidence of misconduct simply grew too great to ignore.

I suppose it’s a race between who can get their shots in first. If mueller can drop something big and concrete the GOP might just have enough shame/honour to stop ignoring it but if they invest heavily in fox world and ignore the unenforced sanctions etc, it makes it harder for them to change their tune when they’re so committed to the alternative reality.

It’s a bleak night.

TheClaws · 30/01/2018 00:29

????

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.@RepAdamSchiff says GOP Majority Chairman Nunes also told Committee it is launching investigation into FBI and DOJ

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 30/01/2018 00:34

That’s the irony - Clinton’s “but her emails” was all about how she endangered national security even though investigations found this not to be the case but despite stark warnings that that’s what will happen here, unsurprisingly it’s suddenly not a problem any more

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 30/01/2018 00:54

And yet they’re not going to pursue sanctions

Gordon Corera
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Breaking - CIA chief Mike Pompeo tells the BBC he expects Russia to try and interfere in US mid term elections later this year. He tells me he hasn't seen a significant decrease in its subversive activity in Europe or the US.

TheClaws · 30/01/2018 01:24

James Comey @Comey
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Special Agent Andrew McCabe stood tall over the last 8 months, when small people were trying to tear down an institution we all depend on. He served with distinction for two decades. I wish Andy well. I also wish continued strength for the rest of the FBI. America needs you.

thebewilderness · 30/01/2018 01:26

Edroso: Conservative nonsense is usually at least based on the traditional values of the movement. Their Obama fantasies are based on their racism; their Hillary Clinton fetish, on their sexism; and their Soros-Alinsky-Frankfurt School shtick on the notion that the America dream cannot succumb to self-generated flaws because it has none, and can only be brought down by Satanic, foreign conspiracies.

But turning against the nation's intelligence agencies the guys who helped them fight, sometimes with extreme prejudice, the Communists, the hippies, the Black Panthers et alia that's not just a change in tactics; that's something like a psychotic break.

AcrossthePond55 · 30/01/2018 01:48

Well, on the upside, I found out today that US citizens are eligible to apply for refugee status in Canada.

If things keep going the way they are, Canada may be inundated.

TheClaws · 30/01/2018 02:15

Amy Siskind @Amy_Siskind
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So apparently @JulianAssange messaged @seanhannity -well an account he thought was Sean Hannity - with scoop on Senate Intel Comm ranking Democrat @MarkWarner. Remember when Sean tweeted: Make Russia Great Again!

cozietoesie · 30/01/2018 02:20

Stay calm. The GOP candle is guttering. Smile

TheClaws · 30/01/2018 03:54

I hope so cozie. Things seem to be speeding up to some kind of end.

OuaisMaisBon · 30/01/2018 04:14

I give up now.

Amy Siskind
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We are watching a train wreck in slow motion: McCabe today and likely Rosenstein next and Mueller thereafter. On the same day Russian sanctions will not enacted. While Nunes and Republicans seek to discredit the FBI and DoJ. This is a full-on coup of our democracy!

Natsku · 30/01/2018 04:23

Wtf is going on?!

OuaisMaisBon · 30/01/2018 05:00

Natsku - I'm getting the feeling that the end of the properly democratic United States is nigh and a dictatorship is being allowed in its place, with Putin to follow Trump.

This, from Dan Rather. But for the first time, I am unconvinced by his cautious optimism that they won't get away with it. After all we have seen in the past year, it rings hollow.

"We don't know everything that's really going on in the Russia investigation (or maybe we don't know much at all)... but we know it's something big.

We don't know who is saying what behind closed doors... but we know a lot is being said.

We don't know how this will play out... but we know that history is watching and that we are in the midst of a serious test for the sanctity of our democracy.

Like pieces falling in a high stakes game of chess, we have move after move where the strategy is unclear. And the pace of the game seems to be accelerating - rapidly.

On the one side from Special Counsel Robert Mueller - indictments and guilty pleas of men close to President Trump and his campaign. And more smoke clouds billow as the heat of attention moves ever-closer to Mr. Trump's inner circle.

On the other side, Mr. Trump, his accomplices, and his apologists attack the long-held American norm of independent justice. An acting deputy attorney general,and an FBI director have already been sacked. And now a third scalp in Andrew McCabe, the deputy FBI director. And then there is this outrageous "memo" which seems like it will be released for partisan purpose.

No one can predict what will be the end game. The twists and turns have already been beyond the ability of anyone's imagination. These are dangerous times. I am convinced the story of what is happening will eventually come out. But what will be the state of the nation when it does?

Many have written, myself included, of the shadow cast over the administration by the investigation of the Special Counsel. But there is another shadow that is even bigger. And that is the judgement of the American people. Millions are already making their voices heard, in the streets, online, and in special elections. The pivotal midterms loom in November. It is not clear how many of the Republicans in Congress are paying heed. Many elected officials and members of the rightwing press are seeking to protect the President from the reckoning of justice, whatever that turns out to be. (And we must repeat that he does enjoy the benefit of presumed innocence.)

But the more they deflect and stonewall, the more I feel the pressure is building across the country. I believe the vast majority of the American people believe in a core value of our nation's founding, expressed so eloquently by President Theodore Roosevelt.

"No man is above the law and no man is below it; nor do we ask any man's permission when we require him to obey it. Obedience to the law is demanded as a right; not asked as a favor. "

That must hold true for the rich... the powerful... the politically connected... and yes, even the President of the United States of America."

Saffronwblue · 30/01/2018 05:05

I hope Dan is right about the will and judgement of the American people. I feel that Trump and his disgusting cronies have just got away with everything so far.