to be sick of all the man/boy hate.

[churchoflego]

What the hell is going on? Men are not the devil. Boys are not the devil. I have sons and all I read is how as white males they are basically considered the spawn of satan. When did males become the enemy? Surely there are good and bad individuals who happen to be male or female?

I was horribly bullied at school by females and again at work by females, however, I don't consider all females to be evil. They were horrible individuals who happened to be female.

It's really depressing and scary.

This is so very true, it leads to women infantilising men and doing everything for them. I remember one husband who didn't even know what to do with an egg that had been boiled.

Yeah, the amount of times I see posts like 'aw they don't see dirt, bless em' as if men are fucking 3 year olds. Its ridiculous.

@churchoflego

". Plenty of white, male public figures receive racist/sexist/offensive insults all the time"

Umm, white males on the receiving end of racist abuse and sexist abuse all the time? Really? I'd like more examples, statistics and references, as i didn't know that their life outcomes were affected by then their race and sex being a disadvantage to them. E.g. being called Mark Smith would mean that HR would be less likely to ring them for an interview for a management position for a large international company.

@PecanPieFace no, I agree with most of what you said. And I too think that one needs a significant amount of understanding to recognise that when one is white, middle class and American or British, that white privilege must be considered in day to day life. I emphasise American or British because being e.g. White Russian middle class or South African middle class has other political connotations which have negative roots.

It's academic and largely irrelevant to reference past behaviour of "Men" and then use this generalisation to make judgments on "all men".

The bigger issue, which nobody speaks about is the unitended consequence of "man bashing".

The core behaviours of males are being stripped from western societies. Those very things which make man attractive to us, at least in my opinion, like strength, masculinity, emotionless focus, it's all being eroded. What kind of " men" will be left when it's all over? Will we even find them attractive anymore? My husband is not violent in any way, but he has learned how to fight, he is physically strong and would not hesitate to use his strength to protect me. I feel safe with him by my side.

Western society allows us to think about such things and act on our decisions but only because it's such a safe bubble of existence, these things arw not thought about in less affulent societies.

I dont find the new breed of emotionally available, non confrontational "menamists" attractive. Put simply, I wouldnt one to be the father of my children.

We need to think seriously about what we are doing to to our childrens generation.

Those very things which make man attractive to us, at least in my opinion, like strength, masculinity, emotionless focus, it's all being eroded

You find being emotionless attractive? I get the strength thing. My husband is built like a brick shithouse, 6ft 3..and I do feel very safe when with him. But I would not be impressed with an emotionless robot tbh.

yes! Whatever shall we do when there are no emotionally unavailable, confrontational men left? The human race will die out! Breed your sons with emotional detachment and aggression, or we're all DOOMED!

emotionless focus

What, that emotionless focus that allows them to kill in rage at a rejection by a woman?

Oo oo oo Bertrand is the answer virtually none?

Very eloquent.

"Emotionless focus"

The ability to do what needa to be done without being distracted by emotions. Its not a bad quality. It doesnt mean men ARE emotionless, just that they have the ability to act without emotion.

To kill the Mammoth and bring home the food rather than worry if the Mammoth has children and what it's family would do without it! That soet of thing.

Justmyownself are you suggesting that by speaking out about harrasement man bashing, we are somehow making men less physically large/strong, more feminine, more emotional (men have always been emotional, look at all the wars they've started!) and less focused? Do you know what magic words we can mutter to make them grow bigger dicks too?!

Justmyownself

Have you ever heard of punctuation? I genuinely haven't got the first clue what you're on about

The ability to do what needa to be done without being distracted by emotions. Its not a bad quality. It doesnt mean men ARE emotionless, just that they have the ability to act without emotion.

Just because men are discouraged from showing their emotions doesn't mean they don't have them. It just mean that society punishes boys who show them.

To kill the Mammoth and bring home the food rather than worry if the Mammoth has children and what it's family would do without it!

sexist crapola

Yeah, mammoth killing is a really useful skill in the 21st Century

"Plenty of white, male public figures receive racist/sexist/offensive insults all the time."

How to break this to you gently..

Justmyownself must be one of those man hating feminists I've heard about, coming out with such stereotypes about men...right?!

Looks like it Angels, I wouldn't be this abusive about men!

I apologise profusely RoseWhiteTips

Just because men are discouraged from showing their emotions doesn't mean they don't have them. It just mean that society punishes boys who show them.

Indeed.

I haven't read the thread. But WTAF?

Men rape and murder millions of women every year. Women say 'men are violent.' And your conclusion from that is that women hate men. What? So one group says a factual thing while the other group maims and kills. And it's the group that says a factual thing that are the problem. How on earth does that compute?

I think she’s joking, I’m about 90% sure.

But just in case you’re not, ‘emotionless’ and hyper-masculinity is exactly the reason that men like a PP’s son can’t get help and are told to ‘man up’ - it’s toxic bullshit.

Those very things which make man attractive to us, at least in my opinion, like strength, masculinity, emotionless focus, it's all being eroded.

Dude, NAMALT.

Not that it's entirely relevant, but I'm not in the least attracted to strength, masculinity and 'emotionless focus' - in fact I find emotionless focus really repulsive.

I am attracted to traits that indicate someone is a good partner - kindness, a sense of humour, willingness to muck in, good communication. And thank goodness for it, because my DH is a fantastic partner.

The ability to do what needa to be done without being distracted by emotions. Its not a bad quality. It doesnt mean men ARE emotionless, just that they have the ability to act without emotion.

Have you ever worked with a man? Or met one?

"Have you ever worked with a man? Or met one?"

Indeed.

Yeah I don't get this idea that men are emotionless - IME they are totally and utterly governed by their emotions. I've worked with so many men who make such utterly stupid decisions because they're stressed, angry, annoyed, feel rejected or attacked.

By contrast I've known many women going through unimaginable turmoil who have managed to act in incredibly focused ways, including women who have lost children and who have still managed to soldier on for their families (often while their male partner fell to bits). Can you imagine a man going through labour??? Dear lord.