to be sick of all the man/boy hate.

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What the hell is going on? Men are not the devil. Boys are not the devil. I have sons and all I read is how as white males they are basically considered the spawn of satan. When did males become the enemy? Surely there are good and bad individuals who happen to be male or female?

I was horribly bullied at school by females and again at work by females, however, I don't consider all females to be evil. They were horrible individuals who happened to be female.

It's really depressing and scary.

I see it on this forum and hear it from other parents a lot. “Oh boo hoo I’m expecting a boy when I wanted a girl” there’s at least one of those threads every week. And all the lovely stereotyping of boys too, “sounds normal behaviour for a boy” and “yes typical boy” if I had a pound for every time I read that sort of BS on here! It’s as if boys are something to be ashamed of now.

So people wanting a girl rather than a boy is man hating, but the huge number of girls that are aborted, simply for being female, is not hate?

Stereotyping boys (not something feminists tend to do) is hate, but the MASSIVE stereotyping of girls (just look at so called girls toys), not hate.

Yeah I think I'm getting the picture here....

Schnubbins, that's an awful situation for your son, genuinely. But it is not proof of hatred of men.

I am less worried about boys and men and far more concerned about the erosion of the rights of women and girls.
I have mostly wonderful relations with dh and others, but see so much daily sexism it is beyond depressing.

I was asked every single time why my big strapping son of 6 ft 2 didn't 'Man Up' and retaliate against this girl

Well then you contacted the wrong people. Respect, Mankind, Mensadviceline are all organisations that support male victims of domestic abuse.

It actually always seems to be non feminists who have the lowest opinion of men on here, to be honest.

As per the OP. According to her men and boys are devils and spawn of Satan. What she got this idea she has never elucidated.

Ninon I am not living in the UK but on the european mainland.I really knocked on every door that was available to help him or us as a family. There was no support .Mostly always I was told to just throw him out and be done with the problem .He is doing ok now my lovely, handsome kind boy .

@Bertrand

What are you basing "All the stereotyping of boys and men as useless soap dodging incompetents doesn't come from feminists!" on?

No one on this thread (including the OP) has said if they identify as a feminist or not. Most women don't. 1 in 5 see 'feminist' as an insult but no one here has as yet said how they label themselves. Why do you think you can divide posters into groups?

I’m a feminist.

I don’t hate men.

I do recognise that men are responsible for 98% of violent crimes, that the patriarchy exsists and that misogyny is a thing. It is my opinion that men (ALL MEN) have a responsibility to change this.

Sorry, meant to add:

I don’t stereotype men or women. I don’t think ‘boys will be boys’ is a reasonable thing to say. I don’t think ‘she’s a typical girly girl’ is a reasonable thing to say.

I still think it is men who commit 98% of violent crimes.

I'm a radical feminist.
I recognise that women are oppressed on the basis of their biology (reproductive capability) and that the CLASS of men commits virtually all violence on this planet.

I still don't hate men. I am around men daily. Fortunately the men in my life know the difference between "the class of men commits virtually all violence on this planet" and "virtually all men commit violent crimes".

Which is more than some of the "women" on this thread appear to be capable of.

Today 14:26 Pumperthepumper

I’m a feminist.

I don’t hate men.

I do recognise that men are responsible for 98% of violent crimes, that the patriarchy exsists and that misogyny is a thing. It is my opinion that men (ALL MEN) have a responsibility to change this.

I agree with this, but as a pp said, I think, men are responsible for the vast majority of violence and sexual abuse, but the majority of men aren’t violent or sexually abusive.

*idontdowindows

I also think it would help if women cared less about calling men out on the small stuff, sometimes, and be more respectful of each other

.... WERE more respectful

I don't know what you mean by "small stuff" Bluff.

I agree OP. If you mentioned for eg terrorism and religion in the same ‘majority’ context you’d be shot down but it’s ok to blame men as a whole.
Problem is that the hatred and bile that gets attention just hurts the feminism cause

I do not think labels are necessary - it’s a bit like collecting badges for your school blazer.
Ftr, I am not a feminist and I cannot believe that some deluded women like men and boys less. Ridiculous.

I do agree, i have sons = i have brought them up to respect women and treat them as equals, be polite and never violent towards anyone.
I hope that they will always be this way , but as a parent, you can only do what you can to make them aware of the facts and try to teach the correct way to conduct themselves around women. Trouble is, statistics will show that men are more likely to be violent. You cant get away from facts - sad as it is.

the majority of men aren’t violent or sexually abusive

Who is saying that?

Amandu how does it hurt feminists? Feminists don't make men commit the vast majority of crime. Or are you saying feminists (and surely all media outlets, plus the government) shouldn't mention this fact because it's not fair to men?

Can you explain why naming a problem (male violence) is hatred, but the actual crimes themselves aren't hatred?

I have a husband that I love dearly. a young son. A brother and a father. Many many male friends. But I do not see discussing male violence as an attack on them. I don't see man hate at all generally..assuming this is a TAAT or something? if so can you link me to where all of this hate is?

“What are you basing "All the stereotyping of boys and men as useless soap dodging incompetents doesn't come from feminists!" on?”

Well, because whenever I see stereotypes like that being challenged it is often by names Irecognise from the feminist boards!

I just can't get over women worrying about man hating when very clearly there is far, far more hatred of women in this world. And man hatred seems to mean women speaking out about crappy behaviour they've experienced from men, or talking about factual crime statistics. As ever, it seems men's hurt feelings are more important than even murdered women.

those poor kids in America were horrifically abused by a man and a woman. On that basis, we are all despicable as we all belong to one of those groups.

reserve hate for evil people, whatever type or creed.

Ftr, I am not a feminist and I cannot believe that some deluded women like men and boys less. Ridiculous.

Ftr, anyone who thinks that the first part of your sentence has any relationship with the second part is ridiculous.

Special subject- how many men are killed by women in the UK every week?

Special ONE man and ONE woman do not a class make.

The numbers show that virtually all violence is committed by human males. This is not hate, this does not say all human males commit violence, it means that if you're looking to find the perpetrator of a violent crime, your chances of finding a human male are so fnarking high that you wish you had those odds for the lottery.